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    Aoki to San Francisco, one year $4.7MM.

    Not a bad price -- but I'm glad the Braves didn't make the commitment, all things considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Aoki to San Francisco, one year $4.7MM.
    Wouldn't have been a bad price at all. But the Giants, sadly, are obviously a much more desirable destination right now. And I continue to think our best option is just to let Terdoslavich play every day for a couple months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Aoki to San Francisco, one year $4.7MM.

    Not a bad price -- but I'm glad the Braves didn't make the commitment, all things considered.
    [MENTION=1675]dak[/MENTION]

    Guess 5M per year is too high of an estimate for aoki right
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    aoki was offered multiyear deals for more guaranteed $ elsewhere. said to want SF for city/contender/playing time combo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Aoki to San Francisco, one year $4.7MM.

    Not a bad price -- but I'm glad the Braves didn't make the commitment, all things considered.
    Wow, great value. I just got a little bit more depressed about the Markakis deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    [MENTION=1675]dak[/MENTION]

    Guess 5M per year is too high of an estimate for aoki right
    Ha, I don't know . . . my $7m doesn't look too bad really. He has $1.5m in incentives and it sounds like he would have gotten more to sign elsewhere.

    In all seriousness though, my 7 guess was based on a two year deal assumption, and his market just doesn't seem as strong as I would have thought. So this is probably the point where I should say, you were right and I was wrong. I'll do my best to get you on the next one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dak View Post
    Wow, great value. I just got a little bit more depressed about the Markakis deal.
    Yea, the Aoki deal goes to show how badly we overpayed for Markakis in both money and years. Aoki is the more consistent and a better player defensively too. Oh well.

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    Markakis signing is probably the worst move of the entire offseason for all 30 teams

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Markakis signing is probably the worst move of the entire offseason for all 30 teams
    And we probably cover most of the top 5.

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    Price gets $19.75MM in arbitration.

    Damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Markakis signing is probably the worst move of the entire offseason for all 30 teams
    For me, the only two that were clearly worse than the Markakis deal were . . .

    SEA gives 35 year old Nelson Cruz 4 / $58m and surrenders their first round pick.
    NYM gives 36 year old Michael Cuddyer 2/ $21m and surrenders their first round pick . . . 15th pick at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dak View Post
    For me, the only two that were clearly worse than the Markakis deal were . . .

    SEA gives 35 year old Nelson Cruz 4 / $58m and surrenders their first round pick.
    NYM gives 36 year old Michael Cuddyer 2/ $21m and surrenders their first round pick . . . 15th pick at that.
    Yeah - but both are better players. I could see your side because of the draft pick. But Markakis is getting old, we are rebuilding, and 4 years is just brutal

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    Quote Originally Posted by dak View Post
    For me, the only two that were clearly worse than the Markakis deal were . . .

    SEA gives 35 year old Nelson Cruz 4 / $58m and surrenders their first round pick.
    NYM gives 36 year old Michael Cuddyer 2/ $21m and surrenders their first round pick . . . 15th pick at that.
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Yeah - but both are better players. I could see your side because of the draft pick. But Markakis is getting old, we are rebuilding, and 4 years is just brutal
    To me, what makes those two deals worse than the Markakis signing is that the decisions of Seattle and New York really reek of slightly-impotent desperation; the Braves' choice, on the other hand, just smells like a mix of diffidence and indifference.
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    Has anybody seen the Minor arbitration figures yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Has anybody seen the Minor arbitration figures yet?
    All I've seen so far is what MLBTR projected him to make this year, 5.1 million. Further, one guess I read was $5.5 million from Minor's camp with the Braves camp being around $4.75 million. That sounds about what I'd expect too and I like the Braves case given Minor is coming off a bad season (largely due to health issues IMO).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    Yea, the Aoki deal goes to show how badly we overpayed for Markakis in both money and years. Aoki is the more consistent and a better player defensively too. Oh well.
    Not really, if he took a lot less than the max he was offered as indicated above . He wanted to be in SF and went there at a discount. To some people, that's important
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    All I've seen so far is what MLBTR projected him to make this year, 5.1 million. Further, one guess I read was $5.5 million from Minor's camp with the Braves camp being around $4.75 million. That sounds about what I'd expect too and I like the Braves case given Minor is coming off a bad season (largely due to health issues IMO).
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    mike minor files at $5.6M, braves at $5.1M

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    It's rather surprising (and disappointing) that they couldn't reach a common ground over $500K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
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    mike minor files at $5.6M, braves at $5.1M
    Wow, now I like the Braves case even more. The Braves offered what he was projected to make.

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    I wonder if Hart is angling to sign him to multi-year pact, similar to what the Braves did with Heyward last offseason.

    Here's an interesting blip about Hart and arbitration from the Cleveland Plain Dealer:

    The Indians haven't gone to arbitration since 1991, when left-hander Greg Swindell won and second baseman Jerry Browne lost. It was the Swindell hearing that caused former team executives John Hart and Dan O'Dowd to create a plan that helped produce the longest sustained run of success in franchise history.

    Swindell won a salary of $2.025 million in the hearing, but came away mad because of critical remarks made by the attorney representing the Indians. The Tribe offered $1.4 million.

    "I remember sitting across the table from John Hart and Dan O'Dowd and being furious that this was the team I played for, but they were telling me how bad I was," said Swindell earlier this week. "I realized it was the business side of the game, but I didn't like it."

    Swindell added, "But I won."

    Hart, now an adviser for the Texas Rangers, recalled that the hearing was: "a blood bath on both sides. We were on one side and Swindell and his agents, the Hendricks brothers, were on the other. The process was very uncomfortable."

    Out of that acrimony, the Indians decided to try to sign their young players to multiyear deals to avoid the pitfalls of arbitration. The deals offered young players security at the most vulnerable stage of their careers in exchange for signing away their arbitration years and, in some cases, a club option for at least one free agent year.


    http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.../post_129.html

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