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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I'll confirm later, but wasn't it the UN who confirmed it was the rebels?
    I've not seen anything supporting that conclusion, but would be interested in reading more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I've not seen anything supporting that conclusion, but would be interested in reading more.
    Just did a quick look up

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sy...94409Z20130505

    The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.

    "Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated," Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.

    "This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities," she added, speaking in Italian.

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    Jon Lovett‏Verified account @jonlovett 2h2 hours ago

    Let's bring this full circle. Many Jewish refugees were murdered with chemical weapons by Hitler because we turned them away.


    Ivanka wept.

    What troubles me about this story is she was rightfully outraged by the pictures.videos she saw.
    But the refugees -- Won't our bombing and perhaps regime change cause more hardships?
    What is our policy at this point ?

    Let me add, not so sure HRC would have acted differently. No, not not so sure, pretty sure would not ....
    A whole lot of bad options from where I sit.
    That was why I was disappointed at voters not willing to pick the lesser of two evils.
    At the level these people are playing it is all lesser of two evils
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    Wash. Post writer praising action in Syria is a lobbyist for contractor that makes Tomahawk missiles used in strike:
    http://mm4a.org/2ooRRbY
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Just did a quick look up

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sy...94409Z20130505

    The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.

    "Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated," Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.

    "This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities," she added, speaking in Italian.
    Interesting. Apparently the 'independent commission' ultimately concluded that there wasn't enough information to definitively assign blame.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...7a6670ed7c0a75

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    "It's 100 percent fabrication," says Assad, also asking "were they really dead?" of the child victims seen in videos. #Syria

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Interesting. Apparently the 'independent commission' ultimately concluded that there wasn't enough information to definitively assign blame.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...7a6670ed7c0a75
    Don't you think this is a problem?

    Considering nobody can prove it.

    It truly makes no logical sense that Assad would have done it.

    Then we just say he did it, and then justify another war.

    that makes me very uncomfortable

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Jon Lovett‏Verified account @jonlovett 2h2 hours ago

    Let's bring this full circle. Many Jewish refugees were murdered with chemical weapons by Hitler because we turned them away.


    Ivanka wept.

    What troubles me about this story is she was rightfully outraged by the pictures.videos she saw.
    But the refugees -- Won't our bombing and perhaps regime change cause more hardships?
    What is our policy at this point ?

    Let me add, not so sure HRC would have acted differently. No, not not so sure, pretty sure would not ....
    A whole lot of bad options from where I sit.
    That was why I was disappointed at voters not willing to pick the lesser of two evils.
    At the level these people are playing it is all lesser of two evils

    Or you know, that one sane person who got like 3% of the vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Don't you think this is a problem?

    Considering nobody can prove it.

    It truly makes no logical sense that Assad would have done it.

    Then we just say he did it, and then justify another war.

    that makes me very uncomfortable
    I think it would be a problem if it weren't for the pieces of evidence produced by the Germans, French, and British. Evidence which appears more legitimate than a vague comment from the UN about 'strong, concrete, but not incontrovertible' evidence. What is that evidence, and why hasn't it ever been publicized/expounded upon?

    Why doesn't it make sense for Assad to have done it? He was/is trying to quell a rebellion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I think it would be a problem if it weren't for the pieces of evidence produced by the Germans, French, and British. Evidence which appears more legitimate than a vague comment from the UN about 'strong, concrete, but not incontrovertible' evidence. What is that evidence, and why hasn't it ever been publicized/expounded upon?

    Why doesn't it make sense for Assad to have done it? He was/is trying to quell a rebellion.
    But the Germans, French, and British are our allies.

    If it makes sense to use chemical weapons (thus assuredly getting a hateful response from the rest of the world and fate that will likely end up like Hussein or Gadaffi), then he's a stupid and suicidal person. However, if what you say is true, then why wouldn't Assad just admit to doing it in an effort to win the war? It's not like we are trying to hide the fact that we're dropping bombs on ISIS to win the war.

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    Sturg, why did Saddam Hussein use chemical weapons against the Kurds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Sturg, why did Saddam Hussein use chemical weapons against the Kurds?
    I'm not saying it doesn't or never happened. I'm saying, absent of proof, I'm not comfortable starting another illegal war.

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    Assad just claimed that he couldn't had done it because Syria doesn't have any chemical weapons

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I'm not saying it doesn't or never happened. I'm saying, absent of proof, I'm not comfortable starting another illegal war.
    The point is valid but I still don't believe any proof of something like this could ever be furnished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    Assad just claimed that he couldn't had done it because Syria doesn't have any chemical weapons
    I believe it was Obama and Kerry who assured us all that Syria has no chemical weapons

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I believe it was Obama and Kerry who assured us all that Syria has no chemical weapons
    It was said by Obama.


    Assad is a piece of ****. I'm glad he didn't get out when he could have and hopefully his final minutes will be in a ditch like saddam and gadaffhi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    It was said by Obama.


    Assad is a piece of ****. I'm glad he didn't get out when he could have and hopefully his final minutes will be in a ditch like saddam and gadaffhi
    So the US said he didn't have them. He said he didn't have them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    So the US said he didn't have them. He said he didn't have them.
    I believe that obama put the Russians in charge of taking the weapons away. The us didn't remove and chemical weapons.

    Do you think Putin and Assad are trustworthy?

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    I think that's a reasonable position. I just don't get the insistence that "it doesn't make sense" for Assad to use chemical weapons.

    I'm really perplexed as to why you don't seem to see it. He's already on the wrong side of international norms. He doesn't fear western disapproval. He has the implicit or explicit support of several big players. He's desperate to hold onto what he has, because it might be the difference between dying of old age in Damascus (or at least Moscow) and ending up like Mussolini or Ceaucescu or Saddam.

    Speaking of Saddam Hussein, he certainly never claimed responsibility for gassing Kurdish civilians at Halabja. In fact, he blamed Iran for it.

    Of course, at the time he had a will to remain in power and the implicit support of several big players on the world stage (in this case, the US). So he did it, in order to stay in power and intimidate the opposition, he disclaimed responsibility for it, and promoted confusion and misdirection about responsibility for it.

    So, nothing new here.

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