MINORS FINAL 4/10/18: What's With these Morning Games?

[thethe]

Lol what the?

Do I need to go quote some of that discussion?

Do I really need to spend time proving you wrong...again?

Go for it. Get off on what you do

[Enscheff]

Has Allard lost velocity or was his current velocity just good enough to beat guys in the lower levels?

The general scouting consensus was that he had advanced skills in pitch sequencing that allowed him to handle less experienced hitters despite mediocre stuff.

I expect his lack of stuff to be exposed in AAA, and definitely at the MLB level.

[Enscheff]

Go for it. Get off on what you do

Actually I’ll let you quote what you think I said. You’re well known to be completely and utterly clueless, so the burden of proof lies with you.

[thethe]

Actually I’ll let you quote what you think I said. You’re well known to be completely and utterly clueless, so the burden of proof lies with you.

Such a delight. Your surrender on this (never happens) proves it.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

Has Allard lost velocity or was his current velocity just good enough to beat guys in the lower levels?

He used to sit ~91-92 and flashed 96 at least one game before he was drafted according to Kiley, I’m 99% sure. If he’s 88 now, that’s lost velocity.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

The general scouting consensus was that he had advanced skills in pitch sequencing that allowed him to handle less experienced hitters despite mediocre stuff.

I expect his lack of stuff to be exposed in AAA, and definitely at the MLB level.

This is true too, but I think he still has lost some MPH from pre drafted/first year Allard (it’s not like a 91 MPH fastball is much to write home about either)

[Enscheff]

This is true too, but I think he still has lost some MPH from pre drafted/first year Allard (it’s not like a 91 MPH fastball is much to write home about either)

The pre-AA Braves were pretty well known to put more weight on a single uptick in stuff from pitchers. If they saw Allard hit mid-90s even once, it’s no surprise they were all in on him.

Allard was always a risk due to size and his back injury. I think it was a risk worth taking in that portion of that particular draft, even if it looks like he won’t much of an impact on the MLB team.

[TheBravos]

Meh...I’ve never been that high on Allard. Now that Soroka has an uptick in velocity...that’s even better. You had to figure one of the two wouldn’t pan out. I’m not even sure there would be a spot for Allard anyway after this year.

I always felt like Allard was trade bait...it’s too late for him to probably regain his value unfortunately. When you look at Newk, Folty, Gohara, Wright (even Weigel)....they all have bigger stuff. Allard will have to locate perfectly to succeed. Doesn’t mean he can’t, but sure puts him at a disadvantage.

[smootness]

The pre-AA Braves were pretty well known to put more weight on a single uptick in stuff from pitchers. If they saw Allard hit mid-90s even once, it’s no surprise they were all in on him.

Allard was always a risk due to size and his back injury. I think it was a risk worth taking in that portion of that particular draft, even if it looks like he won’t much of an impact on the MLB team.

Let's not act like it was a huge reach to take Allard at 14. He was rated clearly higher than that by most; the issue was his health, not his velocity.

[Enscheff]

Let's not act like it was a huge reach to take Allard at 14. He was rated clearly higher than that by most; the issue was his health, not his velocity.

How exactly is this comment contrary to what I wrote in any way?

I literally wrote, "Allard was always a risk due to size and his back injury". The health risk is precisely why he was falling down draft boards. The Braves were the first team willing to assume that risk.

[thewupk]

How exactly is this comment contrary to what I wrote in any way?

I literally wrote, "Allard was always a risk due to size and his back injury". The health risk is precisely why he was falling down draft boards. The Braves were the first team willing to assume that risk.

reading comprehension is hard around here

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

I still think it was a good pick too without hindsight. Harder to pick a game changer at 14, it’s a real crapshoot, and he showed potential at 16 years old. You would have thought he would grow into some velocity

[Enscheff]

I still think it was a good pick too without hindsight. Harder to pick a game changer at 14, it’s a real crapshoot, and he showed potential at 16 years old. You would have thought he would grow into some velocity

Velocity growth is pretty hit and miss with pitching prospects. HS pitchers are more likely (or at least almost equally as likely) to lose velocity than gain it as they progress through the professional ranks.

The Yankees seem to be the best organization at getting their pitchers to increase their stuff. Either they have figured out how to identify good candidates, or they have unlocked a training method for increasing velocity. Probably a little of both.

[smootness]

How exactly is this comment contrary to what I wrote in any way?

I literally wrote, "Allard was always a risk due to size and his back injury". The health risk is precisely why he was falling down draft boards. The Braves were the first team willing to assume that risk.

You also wrote the following: "The pre-AA Braves were pretty well known to put more weight on a single uptick in stuff from pitchers. If they saw Allard hit mid-90s even once, it’s no surprise they were all in on him."

Perhaps I misread, but that certainly seems to imply that the Braves saw a random mid-90s fastball, assumed that's what he threw, and jumped to draft him before his talent warranted it.

But pretty much everyone agreed at the time that his talent did warrant it. That's all I'm saying.

[smootness]

reading comprehension is hard around here

Hilarious

[Enscheff]

You also wrote the following: "The pre-AA Braves were pretty well known to put more weight on a single uptick in stuff from pitchers. If they saw Allard hit mid-90s even once, it’s no surprise they were all in on him."

Perhaps I misread, but that certainly seems to imply that the Braves saw a random mid-90s fastball, assumed that's what he threw, and jumped to draft him before his talent warranted it.

But pretty much everyone agreed at the time that his talent did warrant it. That's all I'm saying.

Yes, the 2 comments above mine were discussing velocity explicitly.

The Braves saw the mid-90s, and they became the first team who decided that made him worth the risk because they tend(ed) to over value sudden upticks in stuff.

This is pretty straight forward logic...right? Maybe someone else can explain it differently because it's clear you are on one of your "disagree with everything enscheff writes because I'm desperate to prove him wrong about any little thing" kicks again, even though your comments aren't even contrary to mine.

[clvclv]

I still think it was a good pick too without hindsight. Harder to pick a game changer at 14, it’s a real crapshoot, and he showed potential at 16 years old. You would have thought he would grow into some velocity

Not every #14 pick turns into a perennial All-Star like Heyward. Oh wait...

[Braves1976]

https://twitter.com/TheStatCastEra/s...82780646707202

According to this, he was sitting 90-91 mph today.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

https://twitter.com/TheStatCastEra/s...82780646707202

According to this, he was sitting 90-91 mph today.

Ok, so he probably hasn’t lost velocity or at least not much

[Enscheff]

https://twitter.com/TheStatCastEra/s...82780646707202

According to this, he was sitting 90-91 mph today.

Pretty typical for Allard.

I don't think it will play well at the MLB level.