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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    For those saying Kimbrel is more tradeable.

    Why would they sign him to this deal with the new ballpark coming.

    Everyone knows Kimbrel is a huge fan favorite, why trade him for a few prospects?
    I think you're missing the point. It's not that Wren will, or even should, trade Kimbrel over the course of this contract; it's that one ancillary benefit of this deal is that—with its affordable cost-certainty—the Braves could receive a much better return for Kimbrel if and only if events dictated doing so.
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    This article by MLBTR shows just how much of a team friendly deal this probably is.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/0...bitration.html

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    This is another one of those deals where the player leaves some cash on the table in order to get financial security now, while his elbow and shoulder are both still intact. The team saves some money in exchange for taking on more of the injury risk. In Kimbrel's case, this contract is structured such that he went from being a potential salary dump or non-tender candidate after the 2014/2015 season, to a locked up piece of the core of the team.

    The Braves are probably overpaying for the closer position towards the end of this deal (considering the downward trajectory closer salaries have taken recently), but it essentially turned a lost asset into a positive asset, so in all it is a very good deal imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    This is another one of those deals where the player leaves some cash on the table in order to get financial security now, while his elbow and shoulder are both still intact. The team saves some money in exchange for taking on more of the injury risk. In Kimbrel's case, this contract is structured such that he went from being a potential salary dump or non-tender candidate after the 2014/2015 season, to a locked up piece of the core of the team.

    The Braves are probably overpaying for the closer position towards the end of this deal (considering the downward trajectory closer salaries have taken recently), but it essentially turned a lost asset into a positive asset, so in all it is a very good deal imo.
    Downward trajectory, like Jim Johnson and Grant Balfour, who are both half as good as Kimbrel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    I think you're missing the point. It's not that Wren will, or even should, trade Kimbrel over the course of this contract; it's that one ancillary benefit of this deal is that—with its affordable cost-certainty—the Braves could receive a much better return for Kimbrel if and only if events dictated doing so.
    Sure its more "tradeable" but why trade him before the new stadium opens?

    Doesnt make much sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Sure its more "tradeable" but why trade him before the new stadium opens?

    Doesnt make much sense.
    I don't think anybody is suggesting trading Kimbrall, and I doubt they will... but if circumstances were to change, the new contract means he would be easier to trade, and the return would be greater.

    Does that make it clearer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfree80 View Post
    I don't think anybody is suggesting trading Kimbrall, and I doubt they will... but if circumstances were to change, the new contract means he would be easier to trade, and the return would be greater.

    Does that make it clearer?
    I know what they mean.

    But i doubt it happens unless the haul is insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    Downward trajectory, like Jim Johnson and Grant Balfour, who are both half as good as Kimbrel?
    Closers have very clearly been less valued in the last couple offseasons. I'm sorry if you can't understand that fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Closers have very clearly been less valued in the last couple offseasons. I'm sorry if you can't understand that fact.
    How many elite closers have hit the market?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    How many elite closers have hit the market?
    Soriano? Is he elite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinersSBChamps View Post
    Soriano? Is he elite?
    He got a lot when he hit the market. I think thats the point. Teams will pay for Kimbrel. Teams aren't going to pay for Jim Johnson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Closers have very clearly been less valued in the last couple offseasons. I'm sorry if you can't understand that fact.
    Joe Nathan just got 2 years for $20M from the Tigers and he's what, 36 years old? But closers have been less valued the last couple offseasons? Is Craig Kimbrel not far superior to Nathan? What about how much Jim Johnson is making this year? Rafael Soriano's deal with the Nationals?

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    Nathan is 39. I would guess Kimbrel would gotten at least 50% more than Nathan per year if he had hit the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Closers have very clearly been less valued in the last couple offseasons. I'm sorry if you can't understand that fact.
    WE've seen 2 closers hit the market last 2 offseasons. Nathan a 2/20 and Soriano at 2/28. Year before that saw Papelbon sign for 4/50. Every single one of those but Nathon's is cheaper than what Kimbrel will make his first 2 years of FA. They're all way older than Kimbrel will be when he hits FA (well Papelbon not way older, just older)

    Kimbrel would have made more money than any closer to hit the market. Would it have been as insane as some here have said (20M a year) not likely but he would have been paid, and paid extremely handsomely.
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    John Hart is about to talk about some of the extensions on MLBN, Kimbrel's and others, FWIW.

    And yes, Kimbrel would of easily got 15-20 mil in AAV from some team if he hit the market, probably the Yankees to replace Mo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    John Hart is about to talk about some of the extensions on MLBN, Kimbrel's and others, FWIW.

    And yes, Kimbrel would of easily got 15-20 mil in AAV from some team if he hit the market, probably the Yankees to replace Mo.
    I was already preparing myself for Kimbrel to be wearing pinstripes in 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    John Hart is about to talk about some of the extensions on MLBN, Kimbrel's and others, FWIW.

    And yes, Kimbrel would of easily got 15-20 mil in AAV from some team if he hit the market, probably the Yankees to replace Mo.
    What'd he say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBrave View Post
    What'd he say?
    Basically the new ballpark is the big reason we're able to sign some of these guys to new deals.

    And this was talked about trying to sign some of our core to new deals early in the winter.

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    The more I think about it, the more I'm surprised Kimbrel and his agent would sign a deal like this. It's 4-5 years, by which time he could be worn out and not get another big pay day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    The more I think about it, the more I'm surprised Kimbrel and his agent would sign a deal like this. It's 4-5 years, by which time he could be worn out and not get another big pay day.
    I think its an example of a player who really wanted to stay with his current team. He still got plenty of money but definitely could have gotten more.
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