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Thread: 2016 Election Coverage: Aka Every Way You Look at it You Lose.

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    Yep. Time to unify behind President Trump. America has spoken and given us a Republican house, senate, and presidency. Time to get some change done.

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    Where's 57?? After months of smug, arrogant, nose up posts about how amazing HRC is... he has gone MIA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Well, for starters, that's an ignorant and lazy representation of events.

    I would love to see you attempt to back it up with a meaningful consideration of the facts and not exaggerated rhetoric.

    The biggest chance these 'many Americans' had to 'protest' was their vote.

    Like it or not, Trump has been given a clear systemic [B]mandate[/B] to lead. These sore losers (I'm sorry to be crass, but frankly there is no other way to characterize all of this absolute butthurt) need to get on with their lives instead of wasting time making noise about something that isn't going to change.
    I don't see it as a one-sided mandate. He's elected and part of the system that will determine the course of America, but again, the people spoke more loudly for Obama in 2008 and the other side starting throwing chairs right out of the gate and shortly into his term, Republicans in Congress made it clear that there primary goal was to make him a one-term President. Now if Democrats in Congress do the same to Trump, will they be traitors to the republic?

    gilesfan, they have a right to demonstrate. Nowhere in my comments is there an insinuation that they have a right to infringe on the rights of others. If the simple fact that they are protesting offends you it just goes to show that the definition of political correctness and safe spaces pretty much boils down the individual level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Where's 57?? After months of smug, arrogant, nose up posts about how amazing HRC is... he has gone MIA...
    I imagine he's recuperating. I can't get over how people like to kick people when they're down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    I imagine he's recuperating. I can't get over how people like to kick people when they're down.
    I guess you didn't read many of his posts, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    I imagine he's recuperating. I can't get over how people like to kick people when they're down.
    Someone's forgotten how things were in 2008 and 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    And if you want that simple reason spoon fed to you.

    Look at the total votes. Donald got the same number or less than McCain and Romney.

    In 2012 Romney got 2,115,000 votes in michigan, Trump got 2,277,000. A big improvement but falls well shy of Obama's 2,564,000. In Wisconsin Trump got a measley 4K more votes than Romney.

    Basically if 2016 Trump ran against 2012 Obama on pure vote numbers. Trump loses Michigan, Wisconsin, PA, Ohio, and the election. THat's not factoring in outside factors of course, but it's the reality that Hillary lost because she couldn't inspire her base. Not because of anything Trump did or independents did. She couldn't get her base out to vote.
    And that's the key problem with foisting a fairly uninspiring, status-quo guarding, technocratic also-ran who would've been a bad candidate in 2008 and was an even worse idea eight years later—just because she'd "paid her dues" (and, more importantly, was no threat to the establishment or their corporate donors). The single biggest factor in securing victory for the nominally-left party in the country is increasing turnout; if the nominee is a tepid level-puller, the Democrats don't win, which is why I don't understand the party structure's obsession with ostensibly "safe" choices.
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    Can you guys even imagine how much Gatom is celebrating??? I can't even find the words to describe how happy he must be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawking4life View Post
    Someone's forgotten how things were in 2008 and 2012.
    Well, I didn't kick anyone. And 57 goes off the deep end quite a bit. As if he's the only one in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    One doesn't have to be achingly politically correct to show a little bit of sensitivity.
    This, and then some. I definitely feel the pendulum is swinging a bit, such that the wave of over-policing and hyper-correcting speech, in the context of sensitive demographic and identity-politics issues, has now given a screen to a lot of folks to be entirely insensitive, under the veil of "fighting back" against those dastardly milquetoast SJWs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Well, I didn't kick anyone. And 57 goes off the deep end quite a bit. As if he's the only one in here.
    Well imagine how much fun I'm having. I don't have a party. Neither of them want me, which is really pretty sweet as far as I'm concerned. Ask the folks around here though and the Repubs think I'm a Dem and the Dems think I'm a Repub. I can't sit at either "cool kids table".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawking4life View Post
    Yep. Time to unify behind President Trump. America has spoken and given us a Republican house, senate, and presidency. Time to get some change done.
    Did you unify behind Obama after 2008? Just asking and not accusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Did you unify behind Obama after 2008? Just asking and not accusing.
    You really are a glutton for punishment today, aren't you? ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Did you unify behind Obama after 2008? Just asking and not accusing.
    I sure didn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I sure didn't
    You're just being modest. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    A protest doesn't need to be done in order to change the result of something. Like I said, many are protesting now to bring awareness to what they feel are very real threats to many Americans. Regardless of how you might feel about the election, to many this election represented a step in the wrong direction when it comes to national bigotry. If you don't understand the point behind protesting that representation, I'm afraid we are not going to find any common ground in this discussion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Well, for starters, that's an ignorant and lazy representation of events.
    I'd be interested to know what you think, in that post specifically, was an "ignorant and lazy representation of events". I wouldn't disagree with you that these post-election protests have tinge of "sore loser" to them, but at the same time it's absolutely true that "to many this election represented a step in the wrong direction when it comes to national bigotry." Hell, I personally think this election represented a step in the wrong direction when it comes to national bigotry—though I also think a Clinton victory would have signaled a step in the wrong direction, just across other axes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    I imagine he's recuperating. I can't get over how people like to kick people when they're down.
    ROFL. Dirty tactics says whhhhhat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShwag View Post
    ROFL. Dirty tactics says whhhhhat?
    Nothing worse than a bunch of gloating winners. I don't agree with the overbearing nature of a lot of 57's posts, but aren't we supposed to be pulling together now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Where's 57?? After months of smug, arrogant, nose up posts about how amazing HRC is... he has gone MIA...
    Stocking away guns and ammo
    ........

    Trump won Electoral College. Those are the rules
    HRC won popular vote ... irrelevant but still pertinent

    I am literally speechless and not sure what else there is to say until this begins to unfold in earnest
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    . I don't agree with the overbearing nature of a lot of 57's posts, but aren't we supposed to be pulling together now?
    I learned when I came to this forum during Katrina and the height of the Iraq War -- to survive here one must fight "overbearing nature" with "overbearing nature".
    I would think the past two days kinda bear that out
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