"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
For one, it's unlikely Pache or anyone else is able to be a 2-3 WAR player right now or likely even next season.
Secondly, if we have concerns about Ender declining, so will every other team. So the ability to trade Ender becomes pretty hard, as no one wants to pay 10 million for a 4th OFer.
Your entire argument is a contradiction.
man a 3 WAR CF is "easily replaceable"? amazing.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
This is exactly why I was not very excited when they extended him, despite folks saying it made him "even more valuable." I'd have preferred that they didn't extend him and let him hit FA as scheduled.
I do think if he recovers to past level of offense and his defense holds then he still can be traded this offseason or at the deadline if the Braves fall out. I don't really see much chance the Braves would move him in season, because he has present value. Unless it was part of a bigger move.
3 wins requires someone like Pache to be a 10% below average hitter. That's harder than it sounds, but it's not impossible.
Also, the Braves have Acuna as a possibility in CF, which opens up all the options as far as FA and trade. It would be a redeployment of resources and perhaps there are many stopgaps that would let you get to the next guy without taking on the advancing decline of a below average hitter whose value is mostly his first steps.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
The extension has some decline priced in. It buys out what would have been his first free agent season (2021) at 8M which is the price for a 1 win player. So if Ender is a 2 wins player in 2021 the extension is a bargain. The second free agent season bought out (2022 when he will be 31) is even better since it is an option at 9M. We can not exercise it if any decline is much steeper than appears likely. It was pretty much a no brainer of a deal from the club's perspective.
Last edited by nsacpi; 04-10-2019 at 10:07 AM.
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"I am your retribution."
Braves1976 (04-10-2019), Carp (04-10-2019)
Inciarte had a 79 wRC+ in AA as a 19 year old, in only 109 PA. I'm not sure its "overwhelmingly unlikely" he could put up a 90 wRC+ in the majors as a 21 year old.
I also somewhat doubt that Inciarte will be a 2.9 win player this year or next. But even if you do believe that, there are 32 guys who put up 2.8 wins or more last season. I don't find it exceedingly unlikely the Braves could acquire someone who could do that.
with a .347 BABIP, a 25.7% k-rate, and a 4.6% BB rate. he would get torn to shreds in the major leagues.
i'm not sure what 21 year old pache has to do with this. the post i'm citing mentioned replacing ender *today* with pache, since "Pache could arguably replace his defense TODAY, so even if his bat doesn't develop further are you really losing much if you already believe you're only paying for Ender to play defense and hit 7th or 8th?"
yes. you are losing a lot. that's the answer.
and that ender is "easily replaceable from within." neither of these things are remotely true. so your point of going out there and trying to trade assets for a 2.8-win guy is moot since this specifically stated "easily from WITHIN."
if pache were inserted into the lineup *today* he would be an awful hitter. however little ender has given you on offense the last couple of years, pache would be *much worse* than that right now. of course pache can develop further and improve as a hitter. that has literally nothing to do with what i said, tho, so i'm not sure where that point is going.
it's still very unlikely pache will be able to put up 90 wRC+ by next year tho. like there's almost no shot based on what we've seen.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
jpx7 (04-10-2019)
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
all this inciarte stuff should be in the over reactionary whine thread.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
Braves1976 (04-10-2019)