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[bravesfanMatt]

2.6 WAR in 2014 and 2015...on pace for about 3-3.5 this year. Not Cole Hamels. But not middling either.

Well HO is -.3 WAR so he is not that bad right.. plus we have Bird in the minor who has been killing it.. wait.. well we got Paco who is a valuable piece of our.. Umm.. yeah.. so we got the 40th pick.. and we got rid of Avilan... clear win!!

[yeezus]

when wood throws 200 innings once he might move past middling. at his best he goes 6 innings. he was also 21st in WAR last year out of 38 qualified NL starters, so middling seems appropriate.

[nsacpi]

when wood throws 200 innings once he might move past middling. at his best he goes 6 innings. he was also 21st in WAR last year out of 38 qualified NL starters, so middling seems appropriate.

5 starters times 30 teams. That to me represents the population against which to evaluate whether a starting pitcher is middling or not. 21st in WAR is in the top 20% of that population. That's why I consider middling an inaccurate description.

[bravesfanMatt]

Gray on DL with strained Shoulder/Neck... anyone know much about this.. I am sure Coppi is watching this closely as Gray was competition to JT's market value.

[Julio3000]

when wood throws 200 innings once he might move past middling. at his best he goes 6 innings. he was also 21st in WAR last year out of 38 qualified NL starters, so middling seems appropriate.

Yeah, young, cheap, talented starting pitchers are only interesting if they're in our minor-league system or have recently been acquired in trade by our front office.

[Braves1976]

Phils and Royals looking at Markakis, though both would want the Braves to send $ too.



https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/r...55O/story.html

We better hope he starts hitting again soon, his OPS is now under .700 and dropping. Right now his value should be at it's lowest.

[Russ2dollas]

We better hope he starts hitting again soon, his OPS is now under .700 and dropping. Right now his value should be at it's lowest.

No prob sending money with markakis...as long as we get a useful piece

[Braves1976]

No prob sending money with markakis...as long as we get a useful piece

I have no issue sending money if we get a useful return either, but I think the Braves value him more highly than I do.

[Braves1976]

MLBTR named Markakis along with Aybar among the 7 trade candidates who have hurt their stock:

Erick Aybar: When the rebuilding Braves acquired Aybar from the Angels as part of the Andrelton Simmons package, their hope was that he’d serve as a sturdy shortstop bridge between Simmons’ reign and the Dansby Swanson/Ozzie Albies era. Aybar has instead been the worst player on arguably the majors’ worst team, having hit .175/.216/.204 in 151 trips to the plate. The 32-year-old’s 7 wRC+ is easily last among qualifying hitters (his closest company is at 43), as is his minus-1.6 fWAR. The Braves had a high asking price on Aybar as of March, but they’ll have difficulty finding anyone willing to take the $8.5MM infielder in the last year of his contract if his play doesn’t substantially improve.

Nick Markakis: The Braves reportedly had opportunities to trade Markakis last winter and in 2015, but they elected to retain the right fielder instead. Considering that Markakis is on a $10.5MM annual salary from now until the end of 2018, Atlanta might regret not dealing the 32-year-old. Since joining the Braves last season, the power Markakis showed in Baltimore from 2006-14 has disappeared. In 871 PAs with the Braves, Markakis has totaled just four home runs – two fewer than Giants pitcher Madison Bumgarner, who has amassed 765 fewer PAs – and logged the majors’ fifth-worst ISO (.083). To Markakis’ credit, he has managed to produce a decent 105 wRC+ with the Braves and has gotten on base at an impressive 36.9 percent clip, but a well-compensated, power-devoid corner outfielder who doesn’t grade well defensively simply doesn’t have much value.

[Heyward]

I'm sure the folks that rushed to post about his rough starts earlier are eager to comment.

nope, he doesnt go past 6 innings.

Certainly a TOR pitcher though.

[gilesfan]

Im not sure if something has changed with Wood or not. His last 5 starts:

13 k/1 bb
5 k/1bb
9 k/2 bb
7k/ 0 bb
9k/ 1 bb

[yeezus]

Yeah, young, cheap, talented starting pitchers are only interesting if they're in our minor-league system or have recently been acquired in trade by our front office.

again with the straw man. you must be learning a lot from sturg.

[yeezus]

5 starters times 30 teams. That to me represents the population against which to evaluate whether a starting pitcher is middling or not. 21st in WAR is in the top 20% of that population. That's why I consider middling an inaccurate description.

he was 21st in WAR in the NL, not the whole league. He was at 41 in the whole MLB, out of 78 qualified starters. Why would you add in guys who didn't throw enough innings when comparing WAR? It's not a rate stat. of course he compiled a higher WAR than backend starters who made 5-10 starts and rookie who didn't come up to start the year.

colby lewis had a 2.6 WAR last year. he's the definition of a middling starter.
of starters who threw enough innings, Wood was pretty much smack dab in the middle.

[nsacpi]

Why would you add in guys who didn't throw enough innings when comparing WAR?

I thought ability to pitch more innings was something that we would want in a pitcher. It seems to me we want to include in his peer group the guys who for whatever reason end up pitching fewer innings. You point about his rank being an NL rank is a good one. So 21st out of 75 starting pitchers. Not quite as impressive, but still better than middling.

[50PoundHead]

MLBTR named Markakis along with Aybar among the 7 trade candidates who have hurt their stock:

Erick Aybar: When the rebuilding Braves acquired Aybar from the Angels as part of the Andrelton Simmons package, their hope was that he’d serve as a sturdy shortstop bridge between Simmons’ reign and the Dansby Swanson/Ozzie Albies era. Aybar has instead been the worst player on arguably the majors’ worst team, having hit .175/.216/.204 in 151 trips to the plate. The 32-year-old’s 7 wRC+ is easily last among qualifying hitters (his closest company is at 43), as is his minus-1.6 fWAR. The Braves had a high asking price on Aybar as of March, but they’ll have difficulty finding anyone willing to take the $8.5MM infielder in the last year of his contract if his play doesn’t substantially improve.

Nick Markakis: The Braves reportedly had opportunities to trade Markakis last winter and in 2015, but they elected to retain the right fielder instead. Considering that Markakis is on a $10.5MM annual salary from now until the end of 2018, Atlanta might regret not dealing the 32-year-old. Since joining the Braves last season, the power Markakis showed in Baltimore from 2006-14 has disappeared. In 871 PAs with the Braves, Markakis has totaled just four home runs – two fewer than Giants pitcher Madison Bumgarner, who has amassed 765 fewer PAs – and logged the majors’ fifth-worst ISO (.083). To Markakis’ credit, he has managed to produce a decent 105 wRC+ with the Braves and has gotten on base at an impressive 36.9 percent clip, but a well-compensated, power-devoid corner outfielder who doesn’t grade well defensively simply doesn’t have much value.

I'm guessing Markakis is traded at the deadline and I'm guessing we don't get a lot for him. But I would be curious to know what the Braves may have turned down over the winter. My guess is the difference between then and now isn't a whole lot.

Aybar just fell off the table completely. That said, Aybar is the kind of guy who could have a "month" stretch where he could contribute to a contender as a two-position back-up who can switch-hit and play some small ball. Return will be minimal.

[Tapate50]

No one should be shocked that we acquired a guy and he fell flat. No one.

[yeezus]

I thought ability to pitch more innings was something that we would want in a pitcher. It seems to me we want to include in his peer group the guys who for whatever reason end up pitching fewer innings. You point about his rank being an NL rank is a good one. So 21st out of 75 starting pitchers. Not quite as impressive, but still better than middling.

well I do value IP very much, personally (which is another reason I don't love Wood - he doesn't go deep into games and when he does he tends to fall apart in the later innings). however, it's tough to compare guys who threw 100 or less innings for whatever reason in WAR. and plus, the (admittedly crude) way I did it, it left out Syndergaard, who threw 150 innings due to not being called up right away. He out-WARed Wood.

And I think looking at the pitchers immediately around him says a lot. Guys like Burnett, Colon, Hammel, who failed to reach 200 IP, are, to me, middling starters. If you often don't go deep into games (I mean not even averaging 6 IP per start), that right there relegates you to middling (in my book) no matter how great your peripherals may be.

I think valuing IP is exactly why I don't consider Wood to be much better than decent.

[Orphan Black]

Cameron Maybin won player of the week. He only hit .600 his first week back.

[bravesfanMatt]

Cameron Maybin won player of the week. He only hit .600 his first week back.

I got the MLB text too. I didn't even know he came back.

SSS I know.. but good to see him doing well. I really like Cameron.

[bravesfanforlife88]

O's have traded Brian mautsz no word where he's going...? Maybe for Markakis? Lol