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    Over the course of 8 starts the consensus on Newk around here has gone from assuming he's in the 2018 rotation, to him possibly being the Ace over Folty, to him needing to go back to AAA.

    Quite the swing in opinion in a guy over the course of 8 games.

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    Newk needs a 3rd pitch, cant make it in the bigs with just 2 pitches. Rare but very unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Over the course of 8 starts the consensus on Newk around here has gone from assuming he's in the 2018 rotation, to him possibly being the Ace over Folty, to him needing to go back to AAA.

    Quite the swing in opinion in a guy over the course of 8 games.
    I still like Newk but he needs to develop a 3rd pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Over the course of 8 starts the consensus on Newk around here has gone from assuming he's in the 2018 rotation, to him possibly being the Ace over Folty, to him needing to go back to AAA.

    Quite the swing in opinion in a guy over the course of 8 games.
    Well there are some weather vanes around here. The bottom line on Nook is that the odds are he will end up a reliever but there is enough there to work with that we want to give him as many chances as possible to develop as a starter. That was the case when he first came up. It was the case after his first four starts. And its the case now.
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    Not to high on Nook... Another bad trade. Hopefully he can eventually become a dominant reliever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    You guys give up on young players pretty quickly.
    This.

    Expect failure with young pitchers, enjoy tiny victories, and hope one day something clicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Newk needs a 3rd pitch, cant make it in the bigs with just 2 pitches. Rare but very unlikely.
    Command is the second issue. It shows up in the walks but also that two strike pitch he gave up the homer on. That was an awful pitch. Not close to where Flowers wanted it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Houston
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    Pretty tough stretch for a rookie
    Very true, and a great point I hadn't considered. In light of that, let's let him continue working out the kinks up here. He at least limited the damage, so that's good

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Not to high on Nook... Another bad trade. Hopefully he can eventually become a dominant reliever.
    Coincidentally, Simmons homered today and is enjoying his all around best season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atl717 View Post
    But people said his command was improved and he was a victim of poor minor league umpiring. One of the more reidiculous things I've read. He's a reliever.
    So, the kid makes less than 10 starts and struggles, and now he's a reliever.

    If every pitcher were treated like that every team would have 2-man starting rotations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Command is the second issue. It shows up in the walks but also that two strike pitch he gave up the homer on. That was an awful pitch. Not close to where Flowers wanted it.
    Those issues play off each other. If RHers had to think about a change, they wouldn't destroy his FA so easily or so often when he makes a mistake.

    Right now, RHers just sit on the FA because they don't have to worry about the change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Coincidentally, Simmons homered today and is enjoying his all around best season.
    Yeah. Never liked that trade and nothing has happened to changed my mind about it.
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    For all of his warts, Newk has those innings where he flashes. That was an impressive inning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    So, the kid makes less than 10 starts and struggles, and now he's a reliever.

    If every pitcher were treated like that every team would have 2-man starting rotations.
    Plenty of people have pegged him as a BP arm before he made his first MLB start. This is not an evaluation made after 40 MLB innings.

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    5 IP, 3 runs isnt awful given how lucky hes been. Those walks though sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Coincidentally, Simmons homered today and is enjoying his all around best season.
    And we get Dansby whom makes dumb mistakes defensively and loves swinging at strikes and balls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Plenty of people have pegged him as a BP arm before he made his first MLB start. This is not an evaluation made after 40 MLB innings.
    So? The same logic still applies. He needs time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Yeah. Never liked that trade and nothing has happened to changed my mind about it.
    Ditto, i was ok with trading with him but do think we could have gotten a much bigger return had Coppy waited longer.

    Seeing Simba have a great year and make clutch hits for LA this year hurts tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    And we get Dansby whom makes dumb mistakes defensively and loves swinging at strikes and balls.
    Dansby being a stud help mitigated those rotten feelings of trading Simba.

    This version of Dansby compounds that stress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Ditto, i was ok with trading with him but do think we could have gotten a much bigger return had Coppy waited longer.

    Seeing Simba have a great year and make clutch hits for LA this year hurts tho.
    The Angels have gotten almost 4 more wins at SS this year so far than the Braves.

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