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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    Haven't really seen this addressed much, but I think I would look into moving both Gohara and Toussaint into a closer's role and may the best man get to Atlanta ASAP.
    Too early to do that. But in general I expect to find our next closer from someone currently starting in the minors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Years away? Have you been paying attention to what is happening on the farm? Newcomb and Sims have had strong seasons in AAA. Ditto for Soroka, Allard and Gohara in AA. Those 3 will be knocking on the door in 2018. One or two is likely to be promoted at some point in 2018.

    The biggest mistake we could make is to try to accelerate the rebuild by paying a big premium (in the form of minor league talent) for major league talent.

    What I'm saying is that it is unlikely that the young pitchers will come in and pitch anywhere near as well as established major league front half rotation pieces. In fact, for most of them, it is unlikely they will ever be front half rotation pieces. If they are, it is likely it will be three years or so into their major league career.

    Personally, for the right player and at the right price, I don't mind cashing in some maybe in four years for established pieces.

    The front office has thus far not made these deals, which suggests that they are only looking to do it on their own terms. They've been mentioned on a ton of guys and have the resources to have brought back any of them and here we stand.

    Are they going to get desperate at this deadline? I certainly don't see why they would and certainly hope not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    anw...i'm sure you can figure out what that stands for
    ambiguously non-white? (I looked it up on Urban Dictionary).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    ambiguously non-white? (I looked it up on Urban Dictionary).
    something my high school chemistry teacher wrote on my exam

    aint no way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    Kemp and Sims for Verlander, would the Tigers say no? They still save almost 30 million in the deal.

    I think they would clearly say no.

    That only frees 10 million in payroll in 2018 and 2019.

    Sims is not a premium prospect.

    Not clear how that helps them accomplish any goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    Rather than start a new thread, I'll pose the question here.

    Do you include Albies in a deal for Sonny Gray?
    This shouldn't even be a question because my answer is not recommended for the family atmosphere we have on this board....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deester11 View Post
    This shouldn't even be a question because my answer is not recommended for the family atmosphere we have on this board....
    the slightly longer version of anw is anfw
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    something my high school chemistry teacher wrote on my exam

    aint no way
    I've gotta know what you tried to slide on this exam.

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    The only recently available pitcher I would've considered trading Albies for was Sale, but even then ... still not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I've gotta know what you tried to slide on this exam.
    too long ago for me to remember...but that particular teacher insisted we use slide rules in his class...i thought this was an abuse of power
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    Absolutely no way we should be trading for SP. The amount of depth we have coming is unreal. It's not worth it to chase a wild card birth. The division is going to be wide open soon with Bryce Harper leaving for the Yankees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I think they would clearly say no.

    That only frees 10 million in payroll in 2018 and 2019.

    Sims is not a premium prospect.

    Not clear how that helps them accomplish any goal.
    Then I'd have to pass. If the option vests then they'd still save 30 million. No team is gonna take on that whole contract

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    Kemp and Sims for Verlander, would the Tigers say no? They still save almost 30 million in the deal.
    I think that is worth trying if we have the funds.

    The question would be if the Johns are planning on putting a legit player at 3B that costs decent money or if they are going with Rio/SRod/Comargo/FF. If they are going with the typical John 1B then we can take on some pitcher salary. Tigers don't want to send money so including Kemp would be a great way to make it look like they are not sending money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    No.
    A freak'n Men.

    No way. Fulmer is the only guy I'd consider sending Albies on.

    Gray I wouldn't go higher than Gohara/Anderson as the main piece and I'm not sure I would do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Absolutely no way we should be trading for SP. The amount of depth we have coming is unreal. It's not worth it to chase a wild card birth. The division is going to be wide open soon with Bryce Harper leaving for the Yankees.
    In my opening post, my argument was against getting a SP at the deadline but picking one up in the off-season. For reasons laid out in the post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    I think that is worth trying if we have the funds.

    The question would be if the Johns are planning on putting a legit player at 3B that costs decent money or if they are going with Rio/SRod/Comargo/FF. If they are going with the typical John 1B then we can take on some pitcher salary. Tigers don't want to send money so including Kemp would be a great way to make it look like they are not sending money.
    I think it makes sense to go with in-house options at third for 2018 (including the current Adams-Freeman arrangement). For the start of 2018. But yeah, this is the next area we will probably have to go outside the system to fill.

    There is a sequencing of sorts that I have in the back of my mind. Pick up someone like Verlander this off-season. Trade Teheran (or some other starter) for a third baseman next off-season (might not be a one for one trade).

    2019 rotation would look like this: Verlander, Folty, Newcomb, Soroka, Gohara

    infield would have: Freeman, Albies, Swanson, Acquired Player

    outfield: Acuna, Inciarte, Kemp
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    In my opening post, my argument was against getting a SP at the deadline but picking one up in the off-season. For reasons laid out in the post.
    I think the ONLY arguement for doing a deal now is if Sonny Gray is being dealt for best offer now. You can't wait until the offseason b/c he's gone.

    If guys are up on an auction block in a no reserve auction you should bid. Maybe you get lucky and you get the 100K car for 75K. Happens on TV all the time :). You just can't get excited by the bidding and go over your budget.

    Gray's timeline doesn't really fit us. I think he's going to sign with Brewers long term b/c he has such a close relationship with their coach. I just don't want to spend a bunch. But if Beane says he has to go and the Dodgers and Astros feel like they are too good to pay anything....you might be able to get him cheap. If the Mariners think they have any shot then we can get him cheap. If Lewis as sometimes top 50 lands Gray by himself then we're in the price range I'd consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    I think the ONLY arguement for doing a deal now is if Sonny Gray is being dealt for best offer now. You can't wait until the offseason b/c he's gone.

    If guys are up on an auction block in a no reserve auction you should bid. Maybe you get lucky and you get the 100K car for 75K. Happens on TV all the time :). You just can't get excited by the bidding and go over your budget.

    Gray's timeline doesn't really fit us. I think he's going to sign with Brewers long term b/c he has such a close relationship with their coach. I just don't want to spend a bunch. But if Beane says he has to go and the Dodgers and Astros feel like they are too good to pay anything....you might be able to get him cheap. If the Mariners think they have any shot then we can get him cheap. If Lewis as sometimes top 50 lands Gray by himself then we're in the price range I'd consider.
    Gray WILL likely be gone by the off-season. But there will be other starting pitchers available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    I think that is worth trying if we have the funds.

    The question would be if the Johns are planning on putting a legit player at 3B that costs decent money or if they are going with Rio/SRod/Comargo/FF. If they are going with the typical John 1B then we can take on some pitcher salary. Tigers don't want to send money so including Kemp would be a great way to make it look like they are not sending money.
    The other reason I like the Tigers mega deals (Verlander, Fulmer plus Zimmerman, Fulmer/Verlander, etc) is that we can send them Kemp. They could use Kemp at DH...don't need him or want him but it's plausible. IF the tigers don't want to lose face by sending 30 million they can take Kemp and it looks better. Even if we get a Tiger pitcher who is not good, I'd rather have that type of player at SP. He can only hurt us 1 day out of 5. Kemp moving means we could open a spot for Acuna or DPeterson or SRod/MAdams (shiver).

    My ideal situation would be that DPeterson gets his power back and he gets to replace Kemp and then at the deadline Acuna takes over for Neck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Gray WILL likely be gone by the off-season. But there will be other starting pitchers available.
    who?

    I think that is fair. And Coppy should know better than us. Will Fulmer be around? Will Cole be available?

    Again....if you can get a deal on Gray, I'm in. If you can't I'm out. Some of Beane's recent trades suggest we could win that trade.

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