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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Especially since, historically, the best players have always signed for underslot because of an artificial cap the owners use to suppress amateur spending.

    I'll never understand why labor hates labor when it comes to sports.
    Whats weirder is European Soccer is very capitalist survival where big clubs get bigger.

    In North American sports there's very much socialistic way of running things. From things like the luxury tax and revenue sharing to things like the draft (worst teams have best chance of signing the newest talent).

    one thing I would have liked to have seen in North American sports is relegation and promotion. But will never happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Yeah, unnecessary exaggeration on my part. Bowman speculates Waters/Wright will eat up close to 7.5 million between the two of them, which is 3/4 of our budget.

    Beck is going back to school for sure.
    I guess Bowman had his calculator handy. The combined slot values for Wright and Waters are around $7.5 million, so no real insight coming from him. Tarnok's number is just over $700,000, so there could be savings there. Probably savings with the next three guys, especially Zimmerman and Rodgers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    million bucks isn't that much money.
    When the choice is pay money to go to school or get paid then have school paid for later, I choose the money and free education

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    My typical day in school:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    Whats weirder is European Soccer is very capitalist survival where big clubs get bigger.

    In North American sports there's very much socialistic way of running things. From things like the luxury tax and revenue sharing to things like the draft (worst teams have best chance of signing the newest talent).

    one thing I would have liked to have seen in North American sports is relegation and promotion. But will never happen.

    Love the idea of relegation and promotion. Gives something to play for even when your not a top team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Especially since, historically, the best players have always signed for underslot because of an artificial cap the owners use to suppress amateur spending.

    I'll never understand why labor hates labor when it comes to sports.
    Pretty slick trick by ownership, playing tribalism up in order to downplay the management/labor dynamic. Especially ironic in the amateur-spending setting, considering most of these guys never sniff the benefits of being added to a major-league roster.
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    Rodgers is essentially the exact player as Matt Gonzalez, a senior sign from Georgia Tech. If either becomes a utility player, you've hit a home run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Pretty slick trick by ownership, playing tribalism up in order to downplay the management/labor dynamic. Especially ironic in the amateur-spending setting, considering most of these guys never sniff the benefits of being added to a major-league roster.
    people also know how much the players get paid. It's easy to hate on Kemp's 20 million. They don't know how much the owners are raking in.

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    Klaw has Wright or Acuna as our top prospect.....

    Joe-Nathan: Which guys drafted who immediately becoming the top prospect on their team?
    Keith Law: McKay for sure. Wright maybe; depends on where Acuna ends up on my midseason list. Beck. Greene of course, although Senzel’s pretty damn good. DL Hall. I think Pratto would be too. Rogers, by default, since Garrett is hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    At an organizational position-of-need, no less.
    Is it really a position of need? Ruiz just hitting the majors, Riley at High A and Maitan in rookie ball. All 3 are very different players too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Love the idea of relegation and promotion. Gives something to play for even when your not a top team.
    Yep. Downside is there really is no parity. In Spain it's basically Real Madrid, Barcelona and the off chance it might be Athletico Madrid. In Germany it's basically Bayern Munich. England has a little more parity at the top. and generally the richest teams can afford to purchase the best prospects in smaller leagues/teams.

    Only reason we don't have promotion and relegation is teams have already milked cities for building big stadiums. If the Braves get relegated ain't gonna fill up suntrust park playing AAA teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    Klaw has Wright or Acuna as our top prospect.....

    Joe-Nathan: Which guys drafted who immediately becoming the top prospect on their team?
    Keith Law: McKay for sure. Wright maybe; depends on where Acuna ends up on my midseason list. Beck. Greene of course, although Senzel’s pretty damn good. DL Hall. I think Pratto would be too. Rogers, by default, since Garrett is hurt.

    Seems weird to me that we have arguable the top farm system in the game and the #5 draft pick becomes our top prospect. Personally I would put him behind Acuna/Allard/Soroka/Maitan. Albies is free falling imo. I question his ability to make an impact at the ML level. His best bet to be an impact player would be to put up an elite OBP and I am doubting he will do that. Seems like a slightly below average bat(mostly due to lack of power, I expect about a .350 OBP) who will be slightly above average overall due to good defense. I know people will take this as a knock on him but being a solid starting 2B is still pretty good, especially while he is cheap. Wright I see as a #3 starter and I would take that over a slightly above average 2B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Is it really a position of need? Ruiz just hitting the majors, Riley at High A and Maitan in rookie ball. All 3 are very different players too.
    Demerritte too. But I think all positions are positions of need unless you have a guy who is a 2+ WAR guy there and signed for 3+ years.

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    Any idea where Wright or Rodgers will start assuming they're signed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Is it really a position of need? Ruiz just hitting the majors, Riley at High A and Maitan in rookie ball. All 3 are very different players too.
    You must not have looked at Ruiz lately... he's not hitting anything in the majors. Riley's not exactly doing anything but hitting some homers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    Rodgers is essentially the exact player as Matt Gonzalez, a senior sign from Georgia Tech. If either becomes a utility player, you've hit a home run.
    We could take that a step further. You could say that Tarnok is Bryse Wilson a High School kid who could make it as a starter with a reliever fallback option.
    You could also say Bacon and Zimmerman are Harrington and Walker a couple of college kids who are bullpen bound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Seems weird to me that we have arguable the top farm system in the game and the #5 draft pick becomes our top prospect. Personally I would put him behind Acuna/Allard/Soroka/Maitan. Albies is free falling imo. I question his ability to make an impact at the ML level. His best bet to be an impact player would be to put up an elite OBP and I am doubting he will do that. Seems like a slightly below average bat(mostly due to lack of power, I expect about a .350 OBP) who will be slightly above average overall due to good defense. I know people will take this as a knock on him but being a solid starting 2B is still pretty good, especially while he is cheap. Wright I see as a #3 starter and I would take that over a slightly above average 2B.
    Agree. I think Albies is mostly a victim of prospect fatigue and size. IF he's at 2B the power becomes more of an issue.

    Klaw follows his opinions and his people's. He's not a Soroka guy. He might have him in the top 100 but he might not. He doesn't seem to think Soroka is good, despite his success at at a young age. I recall a chat where Soroka came up and Klaw listed other guys that did great in the minors at a young age and nobody had ever heard of them.

    Maitan still hasn't played in a game that is publicly available.

    Klaw is REALLY high on Wright. I think most things I've read have been more in line with Enchesff (spelling?) calling Wright a 3, maybe a very good 3. Klaw has him as a 2 with 1 potential. I don't think I've seen anyone else suggest a 1 for Wright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Is it really a position of need? Ruiz just hitting the majors, Riley at High A and Maitan in rookie ball. All 3 are very different players too.
    Still a lot of doubts about the major-league offensive capability of the first two, while Maitan—albeit supremely talented—is very far away. So I would say that it definitely is—though I don't actually think Rodgers does much for it (but that's why the play the games and all that jazz).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    We could take that a step further. You could say that Tarnok is Bryse Wilson a High School kid who could make it as a starter with a reliever fallback option.
    You could also say Bacon and Zimmerman are Harrington and Walker a couple of college kids who are bullpen bound.
    I'm fine with the Tarnok-Wilson one, but Bacon and Zimmerman don't have anywhere near the pedigree that Harrington did out of Louisville.

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