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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ24 View Post
    I read somewhere that there are like 14 of the top 102 prospects available or something like that?

    Should make the 11th round one of the most exciting in the draft. Let's get one more elite guy.
    Here is the best BPA list I could find easily, along with his notes from FG and MLBPipeline if available:

    41 Brady McConnell SS Merritt Island HS, FL
    FG: #48 McConnell's speed and arm strength are fits at shortstop but there's some concern about his frame, ability to hit and even his signability.
    MLB: #75 At the start of last summer's showcase circuit, McConnell showed the kind of all-around tools that make a high school shortstop a first-round type prospect. His fading performance in the latter stages of the summer have carried over to the spring, leaving his Draft status somewhat up in the air.

    With a lean, wiry build that he continues to add good strength to, McConnell looks the part as a future up-the-middle player. He's a plus runner, which makes him a threat on the basepaths and gives him more than enough range to stay at shortstop long-term, especially since his arm and hands work well from the premium position. He has shown bat speed, with the ability to hit for both average and some power, though he has not consistently barreled balls up this spring.

    A team who believes that the player they saw early in the summer is the true McConnell could still roll the dice on his tools early in the Draft. But his inconsistent spring, not to mention a strong commitment to the University of Florida, could make many clubs reluctant.

    47 Tristan Beck RHP Stanford
    FG: #27 Beck has missed all of 2017 with a stress fracture in his back. When healthy last year he was 90-94 with a potential plus changeup and future average curveball. He's a draft eligible sophomore and we know even less about Beck than other eligible sophs because he missed much of his senior year with various ailments, too.
    MLB: #53 After a 2016 season that saw Beck become just the third Stanford freshman to start Opening Day since 1988 and earn freshman All-American honors from several outlets, scouts in Northern California were excited to see what Beck would do for an encore as a Draft-eligible sophomore. They never got a chance as a stress fracture in his back kept him off the mound all spring.

    When healthy, Beck may be the most complete college pitcher on the West Coast in this class. While he has added some good weight since high school, he still is lean and wiry. He has a good feel for three pitches, all of which he can throw for strikes. His fastball sat in the 91-92 mph range. With his frame, there might be room for more velocity, but he's never going to be a power pitcher. Instead, he relies on his excellent fastball command. His best secondary pitch is an outstanding changeup, and he'll throw a solid breaking ball, though sometimes he hangs them up in the zone.

    The scenario this year is reminiscent of scouts waiting for Cal Quantrill to come back from Tommy John surgery last year as a Stanford junior. Quantrill didn't throw a competitive pitch, but went No. 8 overall to the Padres. Beck's isn't an arm injury, but teams might have to go on one year of history to decide to take him early.

    62 Adam Oviedo SS Alvarado HS, TX
    FG: NA
    MLB: #129 Alvarado (Texas) High had only one player ever drafted, 17th-rounder Randy Walraven in 1974. That will change with Oviedo, one of the better defensive shortstops available in this crop. Whether a team will have enough conviction that he'll hit to buy him away from his Texas Christian commitment is another question, however.

    Oviedo has the hands, arm and actions to play shortstop at the next level. He's an average runner who doesn't quite have typical shortstop quickness, but his other tools and his instincts enable him to make plays. Scouts rave about his makeup, but questions linger about his offensive ability.

    Oviedo has a strong frame and a quick right-handed swing, and he hit reasonably well on the showcase circuit last summer. But he has added a big leg kick and lengthened his stroke, creating concerns about his ability to catch up to good fastballs and quality offspeed pitches. Scouts would like to see him worry less about power -- he has more than a typical middle infielder -- and develop more feel for the barrel.

    67 Garrett Mitchell OF Orange Lutheran HS, CA
    FG: #29 As explosive as any high school outfielder in the draft, Mitchell is a nearly elite runner with a plus arm and should grow into above average, strength-driven raw power. His swing can get long and stiff and not all scouts are sold on his bat.
    MLB: #54 Mitchell's raw tools measure up against anyone's in this Draft class, and he is probably the best pure athlete in Southern California. Concerns about his ability to tap into those tools consistently, along with his ability to manage his Type 1 diabetes, continue to affect his Draft stock.

    The UCLA commit has starting center fielder potential without question. He is a plus runner who gets down the line from the left side in a hurry, is a legitimate basestealing threat and covers a ton of ground in center field. He has a solid-average arm, if not better, and has good instincts defensively. At the plate, he has the ability to make hard contact, albeit not always with the prettiest swing path, and has legitimate raw power, though it hasn't shown up in games.

    There have been big league players who have had success while managing Type 1 diabetes, and Mitchell has talked with Sam Fuld about how to do so. Mitchell was diagnosed in the third grade, so he is more in tune with his body than most high schoolers, but teams will have to feel comfortable with that before gambling on his considerable toolset.

    68 Tanner Burns RHP Decatur HS, AL
    FG: #43 Stocky 6' righty with fantastic arm acceleration, sits low-90s but will touch 95 with deception. Burns' breaking ball is terse and late-breaking. Some think the body and delivery point to the bullpen but Burns has shown some feel for east/west fastball and slider command.
    MLB: #39 Three generations of Burnses have starred at Decatur (Ala.) High, and Tanner is the best of them yet. Though he was the Alabama state 6-A hitter of the year in 2016 and ranks among the national prep leaders in home runs this spring, his future is on the mound. A small right-hander with a big arm, the 2017 Gatorade state player of the year has drawn comparisons to Grant Holmes (a 2014 first-rounder) and J.B. Bukauskas (a lock to be a 2017 first-rounder).

    Burns has a live fastball that parks at 92-95 mph and tops out at 97, and he already shows the ability to command it to both sides of the plate and down in the strike zone. The Auburn recruit owns a hard curveball that can reach the low 80s and grades as a plus pitch at times, though it devolves into more of a slurve in other situations. For a prep power pitcher, he has unusual feel for a changeup and his should become at least an average offering.

    His father Mike is the former coach at Decatur and the current coach at Calhoun (Ala.) CC, so Burns grew up around the game and is more polished than a typical teenager. Though his lack of size leads to questions about his durability, he's strong and generates velocity with arm speed and athleticism rather than effort.

    74 Kyle Hurt RHP Torrey Pines HS, CA
    FG: NA
    MLB: #78 The San Diego-area high school standout jumped up Draft boards after a tremendous summer showcasing his present stuff and his projectability. A knee injury suffered in January set him back, with some scouts thinking he returned to the mound a little too soon.

    When Hurt did first come back, his stuff wasn't nearly as sharp as it had been over the summer, though it was slowly rounding back into shape the further removed from the injury he became. Hurt has a strong and projectable 6-foot-4 frame, with quick and loose actions on the mound. When 100 percent, he already touches 94 mph, with potentially more in the tank. He complements that with both a breaking ball and changeup that could be plus in time. Throwing from a three-quarters slot, his breaking ball is identified as a curve, but might have more slider action to it when all is said and done. He can really pull the string on his changeup and he does a very good job of throwing strikes with all three of his pitches.

    Based on his summer, it looked like Hurt would certainly get drafted early enough to bypass his commitment to Southern Cal, even with a need to gain more consistency with his delivery and a need to add durability. That still could happen, even with his sluggish start to the spring, if teams feel his summer was the real deal.

    80 Daniel Cabrera OF Parkview Baptist HS, LA
    FG: #73 Though he lacks physical projection, Cabrera has excellent and-eye coordination and feel for the barrel that might allow him to reach the Majors as a hit-first corner outfielder.
    MLB: #55 Cabrera earned four of John Curtis Christian High's (River Ridge, La.) five postseason victories and saved the other, leading the Patriots to the Louisiana state 3-A championship in 2015 as a sophomore. Nevertheless, he stood out more for his offensive ability and that remains true two years later now that he's transferred to Parkview Baptist High (Baton Rouge, La.). One of the best prep hitters in the 2017 Draft, he could get picked as early as the second round.

    Cabrera repeatedly barrels balls from the left side of the plate and has a track record of making consistent hard contact against good competition on the showcase circuit. He has a quiet setup and focuses on drilling line drives from gap to gap instead of worrying about power. The Louisiana State recruit has the bat speed and strength to produce average pop once he adds some more loft to his stroke.

    Most of Cabrera's value will come from his bat. Though he can touch 90 mph with his fastball, his arm plays closer to average in the outfield. He's a below-average runner, so he'll probably wind up in left field as a pro.

    86 Cole Turney OF Fort Bend Travis HS, TX
    FG: NA
    MLB: #182 Early in his high school career, Turney emerged as a potential top prospect for the 2017 Draft. He still offers some of the best left-handed power available in this year's prep class, though questions about his ability to translate it into game production have dinged his stock. It's unclear whether he'll get picked early enough to lure him away from a commitment to Arkansas.

    Turney's combination of bat speed and strength creates plenty of raw power and enables him to put on a show in batting practice. But he has a high back elbow that leads to an inconsistent bat path and overswings too much during games, leading to swing-and-miss concerns. He has enough natural pop that he'd still hit home runs and be a better overall hitter if he didn't try to shoot for the fences.

    Turney has fringy speed and probably will lose a half-step as he continues to develop physically, so he'll have to play on the outfield corners at the next level. He has reached the low 90s on the mound, showing the arm strength to fit nicely in right field.

    88 Blaine Knight RHP Arkansas
    FG: #58 A draft eligible sophomore whose frame remains projectable, Knight will run his fastball up to 97 but he lacks a clear bat-missing secondary. Some scouts project heavily on his cutter/slider and curveball because we are talking about a sophomore and one who spent much of his freshman year in the Razorback bullpen where his reps were limited.
    MLB: #58 The best pitcher to come out of Bryant (Ark.) High since Travis Wood was a second-rounder in 2005, Knight helped the Hornets win a pair of state championships in 2012 and 2014. He wasn't physically ready for pro ball, so he didn't draw any Draft interest in 2015. He will this June, however, after blossoming into one of the best sophomore-eligible college prospects this spring.

    After serving as a swingman as a freshman and not pitching in summer ball to focus on adding strength instead, Knight caught scouts' attention last fall when he hit 97 mph with his fastball. He has worked at 90-94 mph for most of this spring and should gain more velocity as he continues to add muscle to his skinny build. His second-best offering is a mid-80s slider/cutter that grades as a plus pitch at times.

    Knight also has an effective changeup and a curveball that he can land for strikes. He has a loose arm and an easy delivery, filling the zone with all of his pitches. The only real question about him as a starter is his durability, as he still carries just 165 pounds on his 6-foot-3 frame.

    92 Jack Leftwich RHP TNXL Academy, FL
    FG: NA
    MLB: #169 Leftwich spent two years at Winter Park High School in the Orlando, Fla., area before switching his academics to the online Florida Virtual School and his baseball to the TNXL Academy. He finished his coursework to graduate last fall, giving him months to focus on baseball full-time to prepare for life as a pro or as another talented arm at the University of Florida.

    The work allowed Leftwich to get his body in shape and helped him show off his arm strength more consistently. He's capable of running his fastball up to 96-97 mph, especially in shorter stints. His breaking ball will flash average, but it will often get caught between a curveball and a slider with a 10-to-4-type break, though at times he'll go to a more conventional slider, and he does have some feel for a changeup. While he throws strikes with his heater, its lack of movement makes it play down a bit. He can be inverted in back during his delivery, impacting his plane.

    As a result, some see a future reliever profile, though he has shown the stuff and control to start. The biggest thing that might keep Leftwich from going in the top six rounds is a rumored price tag, with him donning a Gators uniform in the fall a distinct possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    So we're gonna blow our entire draft on 3 players?

    Sure thing man.
    You do realize we've signed cheap guys for rounds 4-10 already right? It would change nothing about our strategy to this point at all, we'd just have more money to spend on it. Regardless, you were trying to claim we couldn't sign him, we easily could if we had pick 2 and wanted to.

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    Beck, Mitchell, Burns, Hurt, Cabrera, and especially Knight are very interesting round 11 options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Beck, Mitchell, Burns, Hurt, Cabrera, and especially Knight are very interesting round 11 options.
    I'm really hoping it's someone like Mitchell or Cabrera. Take a chance on a bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Beck, Mitchell, Burns, Hurt, Cabrera, and especially Knight are very interesting round 11 options.
    I'd like to go with Beck or Mitchell... since Mitchell was diagnosed in 3rd grade, I think he knows his body enough to manage it with the diabetes.

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    I'd like Tristan Beck or Blaine Knight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ24 View Post
    I'd like Tristan Beck or Blaine Knight.
    Why hasn't knight been drafted yet? Signability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Anything over $125k given to a player after round 10 counts towards the pool. So if the Braves save $1.5M in rounds 3-10, they can draft Beck in the 11th and give him $1.5M + $125k.
    Got it. But it still doesn't really make a ton of sense to wait until Round 11 to go over for somebody, unless it's someone you're not sure you can sign. And I hope we're not passing on better talent in rounds 3-5 just to take a shot at a guy we're not sure we can sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Got it. But it still doesn't really make a ton of sense to wait until Round 11 to go over for somebody, unless it's someone you're not sure you can sign. And I hope we're not passing on better talent in rounds 3-5 just to take a shot at a guy we're not sure we can sign.
    Because after round 10 they get $125k to apply to his bonus that doesn't count against the pool. Every dollar spent in the first 10 rounds counts against the pool. If the goal is to offer the largest possible bonus to the 11th round pick, the way to optimize the available money is to go under slot in the first 10 rounds.

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    If the Braves come away from this draft parlaying picks 5, 41, and 80 into 1 of the 2 FV 60 guys, plus 2 more Top 50 talents, it has to be considered an A effort regardless of whatever filler they take in all other rounds.

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    I think you guys are getting a little too excited about our 11th rounder. Bowman says Wright will get around $7 million and Waters gets around $1.7 million. That leaves $1.1 million of our bonus pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    If the Braves come away from this draft parlaying picks 5, 41, and 80 into 1 of the 2 FV 60 guys, plus 2 more Top 50 talents, it has to be considered an A effort regardless of whatever filler they take in all other rounds.
    For sure. Wish we could've done more but that's just me being selfish. I'm really excited about how this went.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    If the Braves come away from this draft parlaying picks 5, 41, and 80 into 1 of the 2 FV 60 guys, plus 2 more Top 50 talents, it has to be considered an A effort regardless of whatever filler they take in all other rounds.
    I'm excited about Tarnok the more I read about it. That's insane that he's succeeded so quickly after just picking up pitching. Sounds like he has some great intangibles as well as some great physical ability. Bowman said that one scout described his projection as "through the roof." A perfect raw high school talent to take a gamble on. The Braves definitely went very high upside guys in the first 3 rounds. The more I read about Bacon, the more I think he could end up being a closer also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    I think you guys are getting a little too excited about our 11th rounder. Bowman says Wright will get around $7 million and Waters gets around $1.7 million. That leaves $1.1 million of our bonus pool.
    I think we all know that. We are just talking about who we'd love to see most. Nothing wrong with that. Still, if it was going to happen, it would probably be with the 11th rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    I think you guys are getting a little too excited about our 11th rounder. Bowman says Wright will get around $7 million and Waters gets around $1.7 million. That leaves $1.1 million of our bonus pool.
    color me shocked if Wright gets 7 million. I was thinking closer to 6. But if he thinks himself as a 60 FV, then he might expect that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    I think you guys are getting a little too excited about our 11th rounder. Bowman says Wright will get around $7 million and Waters gets around $1.7 million. That leaves $1.1 million of our bonus pool.
    I don't quite understand the leverage Wright has that would lead to his signing 1.3 million over slot.

    I understand it is a game of chicken, but he literally has pretty much no expectation of signing for more next year. It's just a year of risk and less leverage at the end of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    I think you guys are getting a little too excited about our 11th rounder. Bowman says Wright will get around $7 million
    This makes no sense at all to me. Why would we pay 1.3 mil over slot to sign him? 7 mil is top 2 money, Wright would have to be a complete idiot to go back into the draft next year and hope the exact same thing didn't happen again (and it would, no teams have signed the #1 pick to full slot value really). Given the worst thing that happens is we get the #6 pick next year, I'm not really seeing the point of doing that. He's a nice prospect who I like a bunch, but he's not that great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Why hasn't knight been drafted yet? Signability?
    Knight is telling people around here that he's leaning towards coming back for his junior year. I'm sure there is an amount of money that would make him change his mind, just like anyone else.

    He really needs the extra year in the weight room. If he could put on some muscle and repeat or surpass his performance from this year he could be a 1st-2nd round guy easily.

    So far the draft hasn't hit Arkansas nearly as hard as expected. They have only lost two signees thus far, and no current players that were expected to return. Hogs should be loaded next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I don't quite understand the leverage Wright has that would lead to his signing 1.3 million over slot.

    I understand it is a game of chicken, but he literally has pretty much no expectation of signing for more next year. It's just a year of risk and less leverage at the end of it.
    If I'm the Braves, I offer Wright $6M and tell him he can either be a multi-millionaire professional pitcher, or he can go back to Vandy and try to make more money next year as a college senior with no leverage.

    No way do I ever let a kid hold the organization hostage with salary demands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    If I'm the Braves, I offer Wright $6M and tell him he can either be a multi-millionaire professional pitcher, or he can go back to Vandy and try to make more money next year as a college senior with no leverage.

    No way do I ever let a kid hold the organization hostage with salary demands.
    I mean, sure, that's an option. But at a point you have to ask if that's the hill you want to die on.

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