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    Cole Wilcox strikes me as a candidate for our second pick. #36 in these rankings, high school righty in Georgia.

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    I hope we avoid a HS pitcher with our second round pick. We've picked a ton of HS pitchers at that point of the draft with poor returns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I hope we avoid a HS pitcher with our second round pick. We've picked a ton of HS pitchers at that point of the draft with poor returns.
    Just means we are due you damn quitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Just means we are due you damn quitter.
    if at first you fail try again...that's one philosophy
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    based on the way the talent is distributed in this draft, I wouldn't mind seeing us go this way:

    1) Madrigal or Turang
    2) college pitcher (maybe someone we agree to go above slot to a la Alex Wood)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I hope we avoid a HS pitcher with our second round pick. We've picked a ton of HS pitchers at that point of the draft with poor returns.
    this reasoning..i don't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    based on the way the talent is distributed in this draft, I wouldn't mind seeing us go this way:

    1) Madrigal or Turang
    2) college pitcher (maybe someone we agree to go above slot to a la Alex Wood)
    Don't see madrigal as realistic and we may be able to do better than Turang at that point with how its shaking out. Also- what pitchers would you target if those two aren't options?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    this reasoning..i don't like it.
    its not just us...there are patterns to the draft where returns on certain types of player are better in certain rounds

    I'm not advocating being completely inflexible about this...just arrange your draft board so that there are fewer HS pitchers in the population under consideration for those rounds

    But when it comes to what I call the early rounds outside the first round (supplemental, second and third rounds): we've done better with college pitchers (Wood, Kimbrel), HS hitters (McCann, Saltalamacchia, Freeman), and college hitters (Simmons).
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    I have Bohm as my #1 wish list item, with Swaggerty hesitantly as #2.

    Never really heard of Bart, but it would be great to get an actual catching prospect in the system that isn't pure pozzy hype (let the bitching about that comment begin).

    The HS pitchers just don't excite me other than perhaps Stewart because he has improved this year. Some concerning comments about HS arms around #8:

    McClanahan has "been hit around and has regressed across the board". No thanks.

    Liberatore's "stuff waxes and wanes throughout his outings". I'll pass.

    I'd rather see the Braves go after a prep hitter like Kelenic or Scott than another HS pitcher with questions.

    So players I'd like (assuming Mize and Madrigal have no shot to fall to #8):

    Bohm
    Swaggerty
    Bart
    Kelenic
    Scott
    Stewart

    That's 6 players plus 2 I assume will go Top 5...and the Braves pick 8. There is guaranteed to be a player available that I like when the Braves pick.
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    Pretty interesting look at AA's draft history...

    http://toronto.locals.baseballprospe...e-jays-drafts/


    2010:
    1.11 - Deck McGuire (College Pitcher)
    1.34 - Aaron Sanchez (HS Pitcher)
    1.38 - Noah Syndergaard (HS Pitcher)
    1.41 - Asher Wojoiechowski (College Pitcher)
    2.61 - Griffin Murphy (HS Pitcher)
    2.69 - Kellen Sweeney (HS 3B)
    2.80 - Justin Nicolino (HS Pitcher)
    3.93 - Chris Hawkins (HS SS)
    3.113 - Marcus Knecht (JC OF)
    4.126 - Sam Dyson (College Pitcher)

    2011:
    1.21 - Tyler Beede (HS Pitcher) UNSIGNED
    1.35 - Jacob Anderson (HS OF)
    1.46 - Joe Musgrove (HS Pitcher)
    1.53 - Dwight Smith Jr. (HS OF)
    1.57 - Kevin Comer (HS Pitcher)
    2.74 - Daniel Norris (HS Pitcher)
    2.78 - Jeremy Gabryszwski (HS Pitcher)
    3.108 - John Stilson (College Pitcher)

    2012:
    1.17 - D. J. Davis (HS OF)
    1.22 - Marcus Stroman (College Pitcher)
    1.50 - Matthew Smoral (HS Pitcher)
    1.58 - Mitch Nat (HS 3B)
    1.60 - Tyler Gonzales (HS Pitcher)
    2.81 - Chase De Jong (HS Pitcher)
    3.112 - Anthony Alford (HS OF)

    2013:
    1.10 - Phil Bickford (HS Pitcher) UNSIGNED
    2.47 - Clinton Hollon (HS Pitcher)
    3.83 - Patrick Murphy (HS Pitcher)
    4.115 - Evan Smith (HS Pitcher)

    2014:
    1.9 - Jeff Hoffman (College Pitcher) Coming Off Of TJS
    2.49 - Sean Reid-Foley (HS Pitcher)
    3.83 - Nick Wells (HS Pitcher)
    4.114 - Matt Morgan (HS C)
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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Pretty interesting look at AA's draft history...

    http://toronto.locals.baseballprospe...e-jays-drafts/


    2010:
    1.11 - Deck McGuire (College Pitcher)
    1.34 - Aaron Sanchez (HS Pitcher)
    1.38 - Noah Syndergaard (HS Pitcher)
    1.41 - Asher Wojoiechowski (College Pitcher)
    2.61 - Griffin Murphy (HS Pitcher)
    2.69 - Kellen Sweeney (HS 3B)
    2.80 - Justin Nicolino (HS Pitcher)
    3.93 - Chris Hawkins (HS SS)
    3.113 - Marcus Knecht (JC OF)
    4.126 - Sam Dyson (College Pitcher)

    2011:
    1.21 - Tyler Beede (HS Pitcher) UNSIGNED
    1.35 - Jacob Anderson (HS OF)
    1.46 - Joe Musgrove (HS Pitcher)
    1.53 - Dwight Smith Jr. (HS OF)
    1.57 - Kevin Comer (HS Pitcher)
    2.74 - Daniel Norris (HS Pitcher)
    2.78 - Jeremy Gabryszwski (HS Pitcher)
    3.108 - John Stilson (College Pitcher)

    2012:
    1.17 - D. J. Davis (HS OF)
    1.22 - Marcus Stroman (College Pitcher)
    1.50 - Matthew Smoral (HS Pitcher)
    1.58 - Mitch Nat (HS 3B)
    1.60 - Tyler Gonzales (HS Pitcher)
    2.81 - Chase De Jong (HS Pitcher)
    3.112 - Anthony Alford (HS OF)

    2013:
    1.10 - Phil Bickford (HS Pitcher) UNSIGNED
    2.47 - Clinton Hollon (HS Pitcher)
    3.83 - Patrick Murphy (HS Pitcher)
    4.115 - Evan Smith (HS Pitcher)

    2014:
    1.9 - Jeff Hoffman (College Pitcher) Coming Off Of TJS
    2.49 - Sean Reid-Foley (HS Pitcher)
    3.83 - Nick Wells (HS Pitcher)
    4.114 - Matt Morgan (HS C)
    Not often highlighted around here, but his history and comments suggest he’s generally been on board with a pitching heavy approach to the draft.

    He also wasn’t regarded as especially analytics driven in Toronto.

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    Heavy with the prep players
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Heavy with the prep players
    A yuge number of HS pitchers. He did hit on some of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Don't see madrigal as realistic and we may be able to do better than Turang at that point with how its shaking out. Also- what pitchers would you target if those two aren't options?
    Madrigal can hit, but where does he play at the pro level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    Madrigal can hit, but where does he play at the pro level?
    Probably worth giving him an opportunity to stick at short. There are a lot of other possibilities--second, third, center, corner outfield. That's what I like about players like Madrigal and Turang. They have the hit tool. But also another path to success due to their potential for being above-average defenders at a variety of positions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    this reasoning..i don't like it.
    It's not just the Braves, drafting HS pitchers in the 2nd round is just a bad idea period during current draft history. There has been one top pitching prospect drafted in the second round from high school from the 2010-2017 drafts, and that's Mitch Keller from the Pirates. There have been barely any college pitchers worth a crap drafted in the 2nd round during that time frame either. Velaquez and Alex Wood are the only decent starters during that time frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auyushu View Post
    It's not just the Braves, drafting HS pitchers in the 2nd round is just a bad idea period during current draft history. There has been one top pitching prospect drafted in the second round from high school from the 2010-2017 drafts, and that's Mitch Keller from the Pirates. There have been barely any college pitchers worth a crap drafted in the 2nd round during that time frame either. Velaquez and Alex Wood are the only decent starters during that time frame.
    All the more reason to expect Hankins at #8 if he somehow slips that far - AA's apparent preference for Pitchers with high upside (and "misses" when drafting bats early) combined with the chance that a bat with upside (Beer, Conine, McCarthy, Bart, Gray, Groshans could slip to you in the Second Round makes me wonder at least. Hard to pass on an arm with that type of upside if there's not a "no-brainer" bat available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auyushu View Post
    It's not just the Braves, drafting HS pitchers in the 2nd round is just a bad idea period during current draft history. There has been one top pitching prospect drafted in the second round from high school from the 2010-2017 drafts, and that's Mitch Keller from the Pirates. There have been barely any college pitchers worth a crap drafted in the 2nd round during that time frame either. Velaquez and Alex Wood are the only decent starters during that time frame.
    that's more fair than just saying the braves haven't done well, considering it's a different FO and previous drafts don't have a relationship to this one.

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    it seems that college pitching is the deepest part of this draft...thats why I'm thinking we can get a good one with our #2 pick
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    Quote Originally Posted by auyushu View Post
    It's not just the Braves, drafting HS pitchers in the 2nd round is just a bad idea period during current draft history. There has been one top pitching prospect drafted in the second round from high school from the 2010-2017 drafts, and that's Mitch Keller from the Pirates. There have been barely any college pitchers worth a crap drafted in the 2nd round during that time frame either. Velaquez and Alex Wood are the only decent starters during that time frame.
    There have been some that at least looked promising at one time. Nick Burdi, Duane Underwood, Justin Nicolino (drafted by AA).

    Daniel Norris, also drafted by AA, was absolutely a top prospect.

    There honestly haven't been a lot of great prospects/players drafted in the 2nd round over that time range, period. That's probably the case for most rounds after the 1st.

    AA has actually had great success when drafting pitching of some kind between the late 1st and 2nd rounds (Syndergaard, Musgrove, Stroman, Hoffman, Reid-Foley, Nicolino, Norris). Does it do a lot of good to draw a line between the late 1st and 2nd rounds? I don't really know, especially since our 2nd round pick this year will come pretty close to the CBA round.
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