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Thread: Is this Braves team a World Series team? Answer: No, it is not

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    BP gives us a 7.9% chance of winning the WS, and FG gives us a 7.0% chance. Seems about right.
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    The offense? Yes.

    The pitching? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    They have room for some big moves for 2020. But no so much at the 2019 trade deadline, unless they get "creative."
    I agree there probably isn't much left. I could see a deal that had Duvall, Ender, or Gausman (more to even out salaries than value) going back to offset some cash though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    I agree there probably isn't much left. I could see a deal that had Duvall, Ender, or Gausman (more to even out salaries than value) going back to offset some cash though.
    Most obvious guy in a SP trade would be Teheran. Expiring contract.

    maybe there is some club out there (please, please don't let it be the Braves) that would see some value in exercising that option.

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    Assuming everything stays the same in the standings, I'm not sure the Braves stack up well against the Dodgers, but there is a chance that we can get past the Cubs, and the Dodgers get beat by whoever survives the wild card. A team like the Nats stack up better against the Dodgers because they have that starting staff. I think we've all learned being Braves fans is that you just have to make it in, and everything from there is either going to work or it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerfherders View Post
    Assuming everything stays the same in the standings, I'm not sure the Braves stack up well against the Dodgers, but there is a chance that we can get past the Cubs, and the Dodgers get beat by whoever survives the wild card. A team like the Nats stack up better against the Dodgers because they have that starting staff. I think we've all learned being Braves fans is that you just have to make it in, and everything from there is either going to work or it's not.
    What we’ve learned being Braves fans is that the Braves won’t win a playoff series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    What we’ve learned being Braves fans is that the Braves won’t win a playoff series.
    We won't win a playoff series until 2101 when we break the 100 year curse and win a playoff series for the first time since 2001 NLDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Individual-1 View Post
    We won't win a playoff series until 2101 when we break the 100 year curse and win a playoff series for the first time since 2001 NLDS.
    Yeah, maybe will have a top 5 payroll again by then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    Yeah, maybe will have a top 5 payroll again by then.
    We will have our 6th new stadium by then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Individual-1 View Post
    We will have our 6th new stadium by then.
    In Chattanooga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    Yeah, maybe will have a top 5 payroll again by then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    No. Probably need to add a SP and closer. No SP but Soroka is good enough to start a playoff game. We have enough good arms that hopefully atleast one like Folty or Gausman can step up by the end of the season. I have no confidence in Luke Jackson closing playoff games. Regular season I think he is fine. Dont want him closing 1 run games in the playoffs. Seen that movie too many times.



    So imo we need a Game 2 starter for the playoffs.... and a stable closer.
    Another aspect of getting one more SP is that we could potentially go from an 8 man to a 7 man bullpen. Having guys like Folty and Teheran not make it past the 5th inning frequently has caused us to tax the bullpen a lot. Imagine how much we could further solidify the bench if we simply called up Duvall? Or, I guess, Ender. *sigh*

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    Simple answer no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    if the 2006 Cardinals could win a world series, I'd say about 20 teams still have some sort of chance this year


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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    if the 2006 Cardinals could win a world series, I'd say about 20 teams still have some sort of chance this year
    They had Tony LaRussa. We don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Our lineup and bench stacks up well against the Dodgers, imo. They are a little better overall, but both offenses are among the league's best.


    Starting pitching wise, we're still ok, especially with DK on the staff and the Dodgers lefty heavy lineup. Although, I'd like to add Wheeler at the deadline and I think that can be done while not really affectng our farm depth very much at all. But if not, we have to hope Folty can get his mechanics right and get back to what he was last year. If that happens, our Top 3 is definitely on par with LA.

    RP they clearly have the advantage, though we've played better as of late. Really need to grab a high leverage reliever at the deadline to help out in the later innings.
    Let's not get carried away. If Folty got right, a Folty-Soroka-Keuchel rotation is certainly not bad...but it's still not Ryu-Kershaw-Buehler, and not really all that close.
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    On some nights, yes.

    Of course, that applies to lots of teams.
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Let's not get carried away. If Folty got right, a Folty-Soroka-Keuchel rotation is certainly not bad...but it's still not Ryu-Kershaw-Buehler, and not really all that close.

    Realistically, the Braves aren't going to be able to make acquisitions that would match up to the Dodgers top three in perception and likely not in reality. This is your rose colored comparison using 2018 stars for Folty and Keuchel as a best case.

    Ryu .266
    Buehler .278
    Kershaw .304

    Folty .275 (2018)
    Soroka .285
    Keuchel .295 (2018)


    When you survey the available pitching on the market it looks something like this:

    Syndegard .272
    Greinke .284
    Stroman .290
    Minor .291
    Boyd .292
    Wood .293 (2018)
    Wheeler .303
    Means .307
    Bundy .313
    Roark .315
    Bauer .315
    Ray .318
    Kluber .329
    Bumgarner .332
    Leake .348
    Cashner .350
    Sanchez .361

    A lot of these names are actually not yet on the market and a lot of them are unrealistic for Atlanta or probably too expensive in terms of prospects. Maybe there are more names that this, but this is most of them I would think.

    I wouldn't spend a lot of time fretting over matching up with the Dodgers top 3. That's simply going to come down to who pitches well during that series, if that is even who the Braves end up facing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzworm View Post
    Our lineup and bench are.
    Our pitching on the whole is not and it’s not even close starting pitching wise.
    Dodgers are clearly superior in 3 of the 5 starting spots.
    Can you honestly say you trust anyone besides Soroka and Dallas to give you a quality start against a Dodgers lineup thats as close to elite as our own?I like Fried but I don’t think he could hold them to less then 3 in 5 innings.Julio is Julio and who the hell knows with Gaus/Folty.
    Unless we went for it and made a mega deal like Bauer and Hand for Wright/Gohara/Waters etc at the break to close the gap I still see them as the class of the NL but I do think we are the second best team in the league and with luck and injuries we could get there this year if everything broke right but I’m still aiming for next year after the Braves show even more financial commitment to truly contending, to go along with the continued infusion of our youth.
    Aside from the fact that Waters won't be included in any deal as part of a package -- only a slight chance he would be THE package -- well thought out.

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    Just get there and roll the dice. For all intents and purposes every team has the same odds in a short series. Hell, put the Marlins or Orioles in there, and even they could still win a short series at least 30% of the time.

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