Yes but how does that translate to wins and losses?Originally Posted by BJ#1FAN
Yes but how does that translate to wins and losses?
So glad you brought up his name. Bill James just recently said WAR isn't a great measure at this time on the defensive side.
Heyward (12-03-2014)
Ask the Royals how defense translated to wins and losses.
All you need is Hart and Cox.
That's why there's a little thing called defensive runs saved...
All you need is Hart and Cox.
Can't really have a clear opinion of this until we see what Hart gets for Upton.
BedellBrave (12-03-2014), Heyward (12-03-2014), Metaphysicist (12-03-2014)
Cards arent a great defensive team, yet consistently win.
They wanted him because Taveras died (RIP), had he not, they dont trade for him.
I skipped the talking and went straight to not hitting women. Amazing how that works.
It is more difficult to measure defense. Basically it boils down to this. If a player has say a 25 score on defense, his true value could be anywhere from 15 to 35. By comparison if his offensive score is 25, his true value might be in a 22-28 range. But don't think that the defensive stats systematically overrate good defensive players. There is just as good a chance they are underrating guys like Simmons and Heyward.
The fact that we can't measure something precisely doesn't mean we should discount its importance. And btw that goes for some of the stuff I make fun of like grit, leadership, clutchness and a fourth quality whose name escapes me at the moment.
Last edited by nsacpi; 12-03-2014 at 10:05 PM.
Braves1976 (12-03-2014)
They still use advanced metrics. They clearly feel Jason's defense will help them keep consistently winning.
All you need is Hart and Cox.
Everything with defensive metrics is very subjective.
thethe's right.
Defense is important but its not the end-all in building teams up.
I mean, the Giants just won the WS with basically having one consistent SP in the playoffs.
You get in and let the chips fall where they may.
Oh so they were going to trade for whoever they could get. Interesting...
All you need is Hart and Cox.
So Bill James has an irrational love for Jason Heyward. Weird...
All you need is Hart and Cox.
Everyone should love Heyward. He is really good at baseball. Some just disagree he is a 25 million dollar player.
Of course, but as i said, if Taveras didnt die, they dont trade for him and who knows where Jason would have gone instead.
Not at all. You're being a luddite here.
Braves1976 (12-03-2014)
Do they trade for him if Taveras doesnt get in the car incident?
That's the going rate for really good players.
All you need is Hart and Cox.
I think he goes up a million every 20 times you mention it. I remember when the trade first happened he was a 20 million dollar player.
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