Braves sniffing around on Markakis; Official 4 years 44 million.

[BedellBrave]

Why do statheads make threads suck? They are like Ron Paul libertarians. ;)

[Dalyn]

That's the going rate for really good players.

This isn't about Markakis.

[thethe]

Not at all. You're being a luddite here.

I'm sorry, you just cannot value something with that many variables in a statistical model that will draw correlation factors to wins with any reliability. Not with the technology that exists today.

[BremanFan88]

Of course, but as i said, if Taveras didnt die, they dont trade for him and who knows where Jason would have gone instead.

So clearly the Cardinals got very lucky that a player like Jason Heyward was made available to them after such a terrible thing. They had a hole and filled it with a player they clearly valued.

[thethe]

I think he goes up a million every 20 times you mention it. I remember when the trade first happened he was a 20 million dollar player.

And I am continually surprised at how much average players are getting. Baseball is doing very well for itself right now.

I've alalways said Heyward would be a mid 20 player. I wanted to sign him for 20 per year and I'm sure my record will back that up.

[BremanFan88]

Why do statheads make threads suck? They are like Ron Paul libertarians. ;)

Stat heads keep winning titles. They must know something the Braves don't.

[Dalyn]

And I am continually surprised at how much average players are getting. Baseball is doing very well for itself right now.

I've alalways said Heyward would be a mid 20 player. I wanted to sign him for 20 per year and I'm sure my record will back that up.

You keep it up and the guy will get 35 million per.

[BremanFan88]

You keep it up and the guy will get 35 million per.

That's Trout and Markakis money.

[Dalyn]

I wouldn't mind Heyward winning MVP next year. This place would be awesome for weeks.

[nsacpi]

I'm sorry, you just cannot value something with that many variables in a statistical model that will draw correlation factors to wins with any reliability. Not with the technology that exists today.

I'm not sure what you exact point is but I will assume it is something different from

1) We can't measure defense well so we should only look at offensive statistics in choosing our hitters

2) Advanced metrics are no better than naive metrics such as errors, so franchises that just use the naive metrics will have just as much success as those who use advanced defensive metrics

[Julio3000]

Shoot, $44M for Markakis is a bargain, considering it would only get you one year of Jason Heyward.

[Dalyn]

That's Trout and Markakis money.

You have to hand it to Markakis. He told the Braves they could have him for 4/44, 5/44, or 6/44, but Hart didn't want to make the mistake of keeping him too long so he refused to go beyond 4 years.

[The Chosen One]

Heyward will be the first time I'm going to watch a stream of another team just to watch him play.

[Dalyn]

Shoot, $44M for Markakis is a bargain, considering it would only get you one year of Jason Heyward.

You are a man before your time. About 500 or so thethe posts before, to be exact.

[Dalyn]

Heyward will be the first time I'm going to watch a stream of another team just to watch him play.

I did with Maddux.

[BremanFan88]

Shoot, $44M for Markakis is a bargain, considering it would only get you one year of Jason Heyward.

Well when you put it like this...

[thethe]

I'm not sure what you exact point is but I will assume it is something different from

1) We can't measure defense well so we should only look at offensive statistics in choosing our hitters

2) Advanced metrics are no better than naive metrics such as errors, so franchises that just use the naive metrics will have just as much success as those who use advanced defensive metrics

No....you would be foolish to discount any data in a decision of such inportance. My stance with Heyward value was clear. Defense is one of the first skills to go and I don't want to pay for defense as a player gets close to 30. The ability to hit a baseball is a skill that ages much better.

[BremanFan88]

You have to hand it to Markakis. He told the Braves they could have him for 4/44, 5/44, or 6/44, but Hart didn't want to make the mistake of keeping him too long so he refused to go beyond 4 years.

I'm still a little weirded out by those saying Markakis is going to age well while Heyward will have to retire in 3 seasons though.

[Heyward]

That's the going rate for really good players.

Trout only got 24 mil a year, are you saying Heyward is as good/better than Trout?

[MURF21]

That's the going rate for really good players.

That's EXACTLY why we won't have any of those really good players in the near future.