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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    I think those are both likely potential outcomes, and I'd be interested to know why you think otherwise.

    That's how fascism began, and ended. Why would fascism, the remix be different?
    Because political ideologies can evolve over both time and practice.

    I think that it's possible to separate the promising features of National Socialism (which, make no mistake, there were - and quite a few of them) from the sinister ones (which, make no mistake, there were - and quite a few of them) in re-articulating how a modern, mature form of fascism might work. Take, for example, the general concept of the Übermensch, which the Nazi's treated as an ideological blueprint, alongside Social Darwinism, to fine-tune their master race ideologies. Now, imagine a variant of neo-fascism where the 'superior' man achieves his social stature not from his lineage (skin tone, blood line, whatever racial element) but rather from his citizenship in the state. Obviously, there is inherent danger with this kind of proposition because history (both contemporary and past) has demonstrated ways aplenty where a 'blood and soil' approach finds itself contorted (Nativism) or weaponized for political purposes (Nazism/Trumpism vis-a-vis a Draconian immigration policy). But if you look at Volksgemeinschaft and, really, the Volksgeist concept, which the Nazis used to gain ideological traction with the German public during the fall of the Weimar Republic, you see these kind of beautiful notions of harmony and work and community that aren't so entirely different than Americana.

    One of the primary differences between the two (fascism and liberal democracy), of course, are the power machinations at the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    You realize the North desperately wanted Lee to lead their Army don't you? Had VA not voted to secede, Lee would have never lead CSA army.
    57 doesn't read the Yankee papers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    57 doesn't read the Yankee papers.
    He can't read period, his 3rd grade brain can't handle it. He has a Democrat lackey that looks over his shoulder and tells him what to type or copy and paste. Pats him on the head and says "Good boy, that will show them Republican tards!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Because political ideologies can evolve over both time and practice.

    I think that it's possible to separate the promising features of National Socialism (which, make no mistake, there were - and quite a few of them) from the sinister ones (which, make no mistake, there were - and quite a few of them) in re-articulating how a modern, mature form of fascism might work. Take, for example, the general concept of the Übermensch, which the Nazi's treated as an ideological blueprint, alongside Social Darwinism, to fine-tune their master race ideologies. Now, imagine a variant of neo-fascism where the 'superior' man achieves his social stature not from his lineage (skin tone, blood line, whatever racial element) but rather from his citizenship in the state. Obviously, there is inherent danger with this kind of proposition because history (both contemporary and past) has demonstrated ways aplenty where a 'blood and soil' approach finds itself contorted (Nativism) or weaponized for political purposes (Nazism/Trumpism vis-a-vis immigration policy). But if you look at Volksgemeinschaft and, really, the Volksgeist concept, which the Nazis used to gain ideological traction with the German public during the fall of the Weimar Republic, you see these kind of beautiful notions of harmony and work and community that aren't so entirely different than Americana.

    One of the primary differences between the two, of course, are the power machinations at the top.
    Hmm Aryan Nation worshiped Hitler didn't they, you know the blond hair blue-eyed peeps and Hitler was dark hair and brown eyes, not quite Aryan in looks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    You realize the North desperately wanted Lee to lead their Army don't you? Had VA not voted to secede, Lee would have never lead CSA army.
    Pointing out facts to an imbecile is an exercise in futility. He only sees facts presented by his Democrat masters and they determine how he posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    What would you consider to be a better example of unadulterated fascism?
    Historically? I know it's hard to divorce from the stigmas, and perhaps that should be precisely the design, but if you look at Nazism, Italian fascism, Showa fascism, strictly through lenses of economic, infrastructural and industrial growth the results are ... impressive. The sociopolitical realm in these instances is a huge bone of contention, I get that, but the world was a different place back then. I'm also aware that the way we understand society and politics today is a direct result of democratic forms of government triumphing over fascist ones, but sometimes it feels like global realities are outpacing our systems of government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Because political ideologies can evolve over both time and practice.

    I think that it's possible to separate the promising features of National Socialism (which, make no mistake, there were - and quite a few of them) from the sinister ones (which, make no mistake, there were - and quite a few of them) in re-articulating how a modern, mature form of fascism might work. Take, for example, the general concept of the Übermensch, which the Nazi's treated as an ideological blueprint, alongside Social Darwinism, to fine-tune their master race ideologies. Now, imagine a variant of neo-fascism where the 'superior' man achieves his social stature not from his lineage (skin tone, blood line, whatever racial element) but rather from his citizenship in the state. Obviously, there is inherent danger with this kind of proposition because history (both contemporary and past) has demonstrated ways aplenty where a 'blood and soil' approach finds itself contorted (Nativism) or weaponized for political purposes (Nazism/Trumpism vis-a-vis immigration policy). But if you look at Volksgemeinschaft and, really, the Volksgeist concept, which the Nazis used to gain ideological traction with the German public during the fall of the Weimar Republic, you see these kind of beautiful notions of harmony and work and community that aren't so entirely different than Americana.

    One of the primary differences between the two (fascism and liberal democracy), of course, are the power machinations at the top.
    Can you give me some more nuts and bolts? Or some kind of modern exemplar? What would compel lefties to abandon class-based critiques?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    You realize the North desperately wanted Lee to lead their Army don't you? Had VA not voted to secede, Lee would have never lead CSA army.
    Of course
    Fortunately for the Union Lee was Confederate at Gettysburg

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    why does Lee get a pass and a statue
    Do we judge baseball managers harsher than those charged with young mens lives ?
    That's ****ed up
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    [QUOTE=Hawk;422238] sometimes it feels like global realities are outpacing our systems of government.[/QUOTE]

    The Leftist are really propagating this reality and fast. They want a one world government and control everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    Making America Great again is a racist slogan? And the left wants to know why they lose.
    you really don't understand the history of his slogan and america first slogan


    i'm not shocked
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    Justice Dept. Demands Data on Visitors to Anti-Trump Website

    WASHINGTON — The Justice Department is trying to force an internet hosting company to turn over information about everyone who visited a website used to organize protests during President Trump’s inauguration, setting off a new fight over surveillance and privacy limits.

    Federal investigators last month persuaded a judge to issue a search warrant to the company, Dreamhost, demanding that it turn over data identifying all the computers that visited its customer’s website and what each visitor viewed or uploaded.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/u...smtyp=cur&_r=0


    i look forward to the silence from the GOP and so called freedom lovers on this.
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    are these the leftists that want "one world government"


    WTF does that even mean


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    I don't want a one world government and never have heard anyone I know who leans left talk about it. Sounds made up by someone on the right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    you really don't understand the history of his slogan and america first slogan


    i'm not shocked
    Yeah - The same slogan that Bill Clinton used.
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    Georgia and Florida can't agree on water rights -- as members of the United States.
    Let alone Uz becki becki stan and Montana agree on as sheep shearing policy

    It is just a word salad incurious people flock to
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaneHill View Post
    I don't want a one world government and never have heard anyone I know who leans left talk about it. Sounds made up by someone on the right.
    Of course you don't but we are all pawns in a game that is run by the elite of the world.

    Open borders is pushed by many people including Soros for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Georgia and Florida can't agree on water rights -- as members of the United States.
    Let alone Uz becki becki stan and Montana agree on as sheep shearing policy

    It is just a word salad incurious people flock to
    You also said you didn't hear about anti-fa until last week so your credibility with what you know and don't know is lacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    To our lefty friends on here, serious question.

    Would you support the removal of any George Washington, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson statue/monument because they owned slaves?
    ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Of course you don't but we are all pawns in a game that is run by the elite of the world.

    Open borders is pushed by many people including Soros for a reason.
    Hmm, I don't know, Thethe, I don't really subscribe to conspiracy theories. Except for UFOs! Free Area 51!!!

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    Nooooo , my credibility --- not my credibility
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