SUNDAY MINORS FINAL 7/8/2018: Bryse Wilson back on track

[rico43]

Sims has another splendid outing only to be let down by the bullpen again.

Considering how he's fared in the majors as a reliever, some might consider this irony.

[rico43]

Have to write about Hayden Deal. Not a heralded pitcher at all, he was an undrafted free agent(!) who signed on June 26, 2017, out of Presbyterian College in South Carolina. He broke in as a pro with a respectible 3-2, 3.23 showing for the GCL Braves and a win for Rome in his only appearance there.

He has been unhittable this season at Rome (4-1, 1.88). Today (Sunday), in just his third start of the season, he worked six innings and allowed only one hit. In his three starts, all since June 13, he has worked a total of 16 innings and allowed a grand total of one earned run.

Deal is a big left-hander, 6-4, 210, but is already 23. He is definitely a guy you need to push forward, but what a free agent buy so far!

[TheBravos]

Considering how he's fared in the majors as a reliever, some might consider this irony.

Some guys just don’t have the reliever mentality. Give the guys some starts or trade him. Wisler, Fried even Sims seem to do
much better as starters.

[msstate7]

Have to write about Hayden Deal. Not a heralded pitcher at all, he was an undrafted free agent(!) who signed on June 26, 2017, out of Presbyterian College in South Carolina. He broke in as a pro with a respectible 3-2, 3.23 showing for the GCL Braves and a win for Rome in his only appearance there.

He has been unhittable this season at Rome (4-1, 1.88). Today (Sunday), in just his third start of the season, he worked six innings and allowed only one hit. In his three starts, all since June 13, he has worked a total of 16 innings and allowed a grand total of one earned run.

Deal is a big left-hander, 6-4, 210, but is already 23. He is definitely a guy you need to push forward, but what a free agent buy so far!

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe....asp?ID=187544

He wasn't that good at Presbyterian. He did improve as a senior though

[50PoundHead]

Sobotka with the save!

[Super]

For those that don't like it when I compared Anderson to a young Lucas Sims, would you be more comfortable with a Nick Pivetta comp?

it's hard to say. their minor league numbers aren't at all similar.

[CJ9]

Interesting nugget on Wilson's success: https://www.milb.com/milb/news/bryse...icle_284917450


Bryse Wilson has always thrown a two-seam fastball. It's been one of his go-to pitches since he started pitching in high school and he "lived off it" last season at Class A Rome.

So when Atlanta's analytics department relayed to Wilson that TrackMan data indicated he should ditch his two-seamer in favor of his four-seam fastball, he was leery at first. With his recent results, there's no more apprehension.

The 12th-ranked Braves prospect scattered four hits and struck out seven over 6 1/3 innings in Double-A Mississippi's 1-0 win over Birmingham on Sunday at Regions Field. In his previous start on July 3, Wilson allowed five hits while fanning a season-high nine over seven scoreless innings against Pensacola, his first outing since he was told to temporarily eschew his two-seamer from his repertoire.

"They said his four-seam fastball was off the charts and he should ditch his two-seam fastball for awhile," Mississippi pitching coach Dennis Lewallyn said. "We said, 'We'll try it and see what happens.' And that's what he's done and it's obviously helped tremendously. But he's also been more aggressive, he's pitched inside well. He's developing a changeup. He's maturing as a pitcher."

The 20-year-old right-hander earned a callup to the Southern League after allowing just one earned run over 26 2/3 innings for Class A Advanced Florida, but it hasn't been a seamless transition. Before his stellar outing against Pensacola, Wilson was 1-5 with a 6.25 ERA and a .301 average against in 10 starts with Mississippi.

"I struggled a little bit, but from those struggles I learned a lot," Wilson said. "You hit your lowest lows and there's nowhere else to go from there than up."

Lewallyn echoed that sentiment.

"I think growing pains are necessary for anyone that's going to pitch in the big leagues," the pitching coach said. "Because you have to struggle along the way to learn how to deal with failure. He had an outing about three weeks or a month ago in Biloxi where he was basically a deer in headlights. He couldn't get them out and couldn't make adjustments. He even came to me and said, 'I didn't know where to go. I didn't know what to do to counter what they were doing.' I said, 'You're better off doing that down here than in the big leagues.'"

Wilson was pegged by many as a future reliever because of his 60-grade fastball, according to MLB Pipeline, but his developing changeup rounded him out as a pitcher and enabled him to stick in starting rotations.

"In high school, I didn't throw a changeup at all. So coming into pro ball, I didn't have a changeup, period," Wilson said. "I've been able to develop that and it's helped a lot. As a starter, you obviously have to have three pitches."

[striker42]

it's hard to say. their minor league numbers aren't at all similar.

It's more their stuff that's similar.

[jpack1]

Interesting nugget on Wilson's success: https://www.milb.com/milb/news/bryse...icle_284917450


Bryse Wilson has always thrown a two-seam fastball. It's been one of his go-to pitches since he started pitching in high school and he "lived off it" last season at Class A Rome.

So when Atlanta's analytics department relayed to Wilson that TrackMan data indicated he should ditch his two-seamer in favor of his four-seam fastball, he was leery at first. With his recent results, there's no more apprehension.

The 12th-ranked Braves prospect scattered four hits and struck out seven over 6 1/3 innings in Double-A Mississippi's 1-0 win over Birmingham on Sunday at Regions Field. In his previous start on July 3, Wilson allowed five hits while fanning a season-high nine over seven scoreless innings against Pensacola, his first outing since he was told to temporarily eschew his two-seamer from his repertoire.

"They said his four-seam fastball was off the charts and he should ditch his two-seam fastball for awhile," Mississippi pitching coach Dennis Lewallyn said. "We said, 'We'll try it and see what happens.' And that's what he's done and it's obviously helped tremendously. But he's also been more aggressive, he's pitched inside well. He's developing a changeup. He's maturing as a pitcher."

The 20-year-old right-hander earned a callup to the Southern League after allowing just one earned run over 26 2/3 innings for Class A Advanced Florida, but it hasn't been a seamless transition. Before his stellar outing against Pensacola, Wilson was 1-5 with a 6.25 ERA and a .301 average against in 10 starts with Mississippi.

"I struggled a little bit, but from those struggles I learned a lot," Wilson said. "You hit your lowest lows and there's nowhere else to go from there than up."

Lewallyn echoed that sentiment.

"I think growing pains are necessary for anyone that's going to pitch in the big leagues," the pitching coach said. "Because you have to struggle along the way to learn how to deal with failure. He had an outing about three weeks or a month ago in Biloxi where he was basically a deer in headlights. He couldn't get them out and couldn't make adjustments. He even came to me and said, 'I didn't know where to go. I didn't know what to do to counter what they were doing.' I said, 'You're better off doing that down here than in the big leagues.'"

Wilson was pegged by many as a future reliever because of his 60-grade fastball, according to MLB Pipeline, but his developing changeup rounded him out as a pitcher and enabled him to stick in starting rotations.

"In high school, I didn't throw a changeup at all. So coming into pro ball, I didn't have a changeup, period," Wilson said. "I've been able to develop that and it's helped a lot. As a starter, you obviously have to have three pitches."

That’s great to see on all sides of that. Outstanding. Organization is coming out of the dark ages. Finally.

[Tapate50]

Sobotka with the save!

He seems to be getting it together this season as a reliever.

[ball4life32]

It's more their stuff that's similar.

I don’t think their stuff is that similar. Either way Anderson is the superior prospect.

[striker42]

I don’t think their stuff is that similar. Either way Anderson is the superior prospect.

How so? Both have a fastball that can run into the mid 90s, both rely on big 12-6 curves, and both throw a changeup as their third pitch.

[Super]

How so? Both have a fastball that can run into the mid 90s, both rely on big 12-6 curves, and both throw a changeup as their third pitch.

i'm not sure on all this, but if it's true, anderson has had far better results, all around, with similar stuff. which would mean something.

[ball4life32]

How so? Both have a fastball that can run into the mid 90s, both rely on big 12-6 curves, and both throw a changeup as their third pitch.

Anderson has far better results. And Anderson is a top 45 prospect trending up at the moment. Lucas was never on that level at the same stage. Lucas struggled after he left A ball and moved off top 100 lists.

[atl717]

Luke Sims' fastball averaged less than a 92 MPH as a starter in the bigs. I believe Anderson throws harder, and hopefully has more movement. Them throwing the same pitches does not make them similar. Sims' offspeed stuff is junk.

[striker42]

Anderson has far better results. And Anderson is a top 45 prospect trending up at the moment. Lucas was never on that level at the same stage. Lucas struggled after he left A ball and moved off top 100 lists.

I was talking about Pivetta's stuff being similar to Anderson's. I'm searching for other comps for Anderson.

Luke Sims' fastball averaged less than a 92 MPH as a starter in the bigs. I believe Anderson throws harder, and hopefully has more movement. Them throwing the same pitches does not make them similar. Sims' offspeed stuff is junk.

Anderson reportedly throws harder now but if I hear of someone throwing 95 in A ball I generally expect them to average 92 in the majors, maybe 93.

And Sims curve is not junk. His curve is very good. His problem is that he doesn't have the control necessary to take advantage of it. A nasty hammer doesn't do you nearly as much good when you're not able to get ahead with your fastball.

[50PoundHead]

He seems to be getting it together this season as a reliever.

Sobotka's "wired" for success.

[clvclv]

I was talking about Pivetta's stuff being similar to Anderson's. I'm searching for other comps for Anderson.



Anderson reportedly throws harder now but if I hear of someone throwing 95 in A ball I generally expect them to average 92 in the majors, maybe 93.

And Sims curve is not junk. His curve is very good. His problem is that he doesn't have the control necessary to take advantage of it. A nasty hammer doesn't do you nearly as much good when you're not able to get ahead with your fastball.

Ask Newk.

[striker42]

Ask Newk.

Yep

[Enscheff]

Interesting nugget on Wilson's success: https://www.milb.com/milb/news/bryse...icle_284917450


Bryse Wilson has always thrown a two-seam fastball. It's been one of his go-to pitches since he started pitching in high school and he "lived off it" last season at Class A Rome.

So when Atlanta's analytics department relayed to Wilson that TrackMan data indicated he should ditch his two-seamer in favor of his four-seam fastball, he was leery at first. With his recent results, there's no more apprehension.

The 12th-ranked Braves prospect scattered four hits and struck out seven over 6 1/3 innings in Double-A Mississippi's 1-0 win over Birmingham on Sunday at Regions Field. In his previous start on July 3, Wilson allowed five hits while fanning a season-high nine over seven scoreless innings against Pensacola, his first outing since he was told to temporarily eschew his two-seamer from his repertoire.

"They said his four-seam fastball was off the charts and he should ditch his two-seam fastball for awhile," Mississippi pitching coach Dennis Lewallyn said. "We said, 'We'll try it and see what happens.' And that's what he's done and it's obviously helped tremendously. But he's also been more aggressive, he's pitched inside well. He's developing a changeup. He's maturing as a pitcher."

The 20-year-old right-hander earned a callup to the Southern League after allowing just one earned run over 26 2/3 innings for Class A Advanced Florida, but it hasn't been a seamless transition. Before his stellar outing against Pensacola, Wilson was 1-5 with a 6.25 ERA and a .301 average against in 10 starts with Mississippi.

"I struggled a little bit, but from those struggles I learned a lot," Wilson said. "You hit your lowest lows and there's nowhere else to go from there than up."

Lewallyn echoed that sentiment.

"I think growing pains are necessary for anyone that's going to pitch in the big leagues," the pitching coach said. "Because you have to struggle along the way to learn how to deal with failure. He had an outing about three weeks or a month ago in Biloxi where he was basically a deer in headlights. He couldn't get them out and couldn't make adjustments. He even came to me and said, 'I didn't know where to go. I didn't know what to do to counter what they were doing.' I said, 'You're better off doing that down here than in the big leagues.'"

Wilson was pegged by many as a future reliever because of his 60-grade fastball, according to MLB Pipeline, but his developing changeup rounded him out as a pitcher and enabled him to stick in starting rotations.

"In high school, I didn't throw a changeup at all. So coming into pro ball, I didn't have a changeup, period," Wilson said. "I've been able to develop that and it's helped a lot. As a starter, you obviously have to have three pitches."

I wish we had access to MiLB statcast data.