On what planet are 87 mph Sabathia and 47 year old Kuroda worth 3.6 and 3.5 and Medlen and Minor, 2.2 and 1.8?Originally Posted by nsacpi
WAR strikes again. I thought the wobbly defensive metrics were my big problem with it, but I guess it doesn't end there.
Yeah. Those projections raised my eyebrow too. This isn't about WAR so much as the Steamer projection system.
Minor put up a 3.4 last year. I would expect something similar or better in 14. I don't know why Steamer is so negative.
Kuroda has been pretty decent. He put up a 3.8 last year, so that projection is realistic.
These projection systems are a weighted average of the past three years for the most part. So they tend to like players who have had several years of high productivity, and they underrate young players who are establishing themselves at a high level. I'm a little puzzled though as to why they rate Minor and Medlen so low and yet have Gattis with a pretty high projected WAR. Maybe their system gives more weight to the most recent season for hitters and less for pitchers.
My problem with the Yankees isn't the fact that they spend a boatload of money and buy up all the free agents they want. My problem is that they act like they have some brilliant mystique, and don't like to bring up the real reason for their success.
They're like that kid back in high school that thought he was hot stuff for scoring a date with the prettiest girl in the class, even though everyone knows it's because he's the only one who has a car and everyone else is riding on bicycles.
I don't hate them, but I certainly don't respect them for their blunt instrument approach to building teams.
The ironic thing is when they went on their run in the late 90s, they didn't do it with a plethora of big-money superstars.
Seattle is going to trade Franklin, please, please, please get him, Wren.
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I'd go for Franklin for sure. Not sure what they are looking for honestly. Wouldn't trade any of our starting pitchers in the major leagues for him unless they gave us a significant piece in return.
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Nick Franklin was very similar to Dan Uggla in 2013.
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I think we can scratch him off the list of Loogy's for the braves. Those 3 teams will give him 5+ mill a year.
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At least one rival team has been already been told #Mets willing to move Daniel Murphy this week.
I would like Murphy to be our 2Bman but I know the Mets want send him within the division.
I don't think the Mets would care about that so long as they got a good return. The question is whether Murphy is an upgrade over our internal options.
We have 1 internal option and thats LeStalla. Yes I think Murphy is better then LeStalla but I think LeStalla would out produce him in the second year or so
I'd love to get Murphy for the right price. But more for a future option at third than second. Murphy is a much better third baseman than second baseman. So he could replace Chris Johnson down the road (or now for that matter).
lol what is your basis for hating on HOV?
he's a business(,man) who just got his biggest fish a 10 yr deal for 24 mil per.
I'm sure his company knew Cano would not get 300MM.
If we lose him to the Nats it could very well cost us the division, esp. since they already added Fister. EOF is a great lefty and the Nats seriously lacked in that area last year. He'd be a huge bullpen upgrade for them so hopefully it doesn't happen.
Agreed, we need to bring him back.
Braves1976 (12-08-2013)
Of all the money being thrown around like rappers at a strip club, including that of my most-hated-for-life club the Bankees, the best money being spent is the 3-$45m they gave to Beltran. One of the most underrated players of his generation.
As usual, I don't buy the WAR figures that show him giving back half his offensive value on defense. For a corner outfielder, that's simply not possible. There needs to be some sort of weighting for the defensive metric and it should be different at different positions.
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50PoundHead (12-09-2013)
I agree. He's got a new ligament. We should offer him a handsome multi year deal. We can always deal him if it doesn't fit into our payroll, and send him to somewhere inconsequential. Washington is not inconsequential.
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