thats just it. we aint gonna stop. We just expect Putin to stop. This is why negotiations go nowhere.
"Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.
It’s over."
Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
i understand that we can't completely separate our own actions from what we expect from Putin
but we should not sweep under the carpet what the Russians did...there is a compelling public interest to having a thorough investigation...i want to know the facts...all of them...i understand a full airing will prove embarrassing to some, but that's not a good reason not to investigate this thing to the fullest extent possible
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
speaking of sweeping under the rug.
Our longterm goal with Russia is to isolate them and force regime change by economic domination. Excuse Putin for fighting back. Putin is more popular in Russia than Trump or Hillary are here so I dont think its fair ro considee him illegitimate.
"Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.
It’s over."
Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
I’m against extrajudicial killings in general and American drone policy in particular, but trying to draw an equivalence between a battlefield killing (albeit, yes, an extrajudicial one) and murdering a political opponent or a journalist is a stretch. Maybe both are problematic, but isn’t there a question of degrees here?
I for one would not want to risk the life of a member of the armed forces so that al Awlaki could enjoy the niceties of due process...I can only say bravo and well done to those who took him out...of course if he was willing to come here and take his chances with our legal system that would have been his right and it would have been respected...
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
and as for the extra judicial argument...i believe the constitution gives the President the power to wage war...and taking out al Awlaki comfortably fits within that ambit...not that i spend much time concerning myself with that particular aspect of the matter
There were Americans born in this country who fought for Nazi Germany. No special care was taken to ensure due process for them. This whole concern for American born people who choose to fight for our enemies is rather precious.
Last edited by nsacpi; 07-19-2018 at 05:02 PM.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Well, that’s why I’m saying there’s a difference in degree. I’m not particularly troubled—beyond the sense that a violent death is regrettable—by killing someone actively engaged in violent action against the US while overseas, when capture is not an option. Sure, it leads to caveats about whether the legal authority is overpermissive, or whether the policy itself is counterproductive, but those are separate questions. I mostly just object to the facile comparison between that and having a political dissident or a journalist shot in the street. I don’t entirely trust the legal machinery, but it’s a far cry from a head of state just dialing up a mafia hit on someone he doesn’t like.