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Thread: 2018 Offseason And Targets

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    If the Reds were squarely in a contention window, I'd like this move for them but it feels like its a little too early. However, they clearly got pretty good value in this deal.

    I like the Dodger's side too. You shed a good bit of money in the deal, open up a space for Harper, and get two high upside minor league pieces with Downs and Gray. Probably a good deal for both sides, but it seems really odd for the Reds because I still think they are a good ways out from contention.
    I see this trade the same way. The Reds seem like a slight winner here on a valuation basis, but I don't know if I agree with their strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    Dude you literally said that the surplus value model is wrong as often as it is right. If that isn't trying to discredit the surplus value model, then I don't know what is. Its also not the first time you've derided it.
    Kinda like your 80% number you threw out there with nothing to back it up. If I wanted to argue that it's useless I'd have looked for the exact number of times it's been wrong and pointed that out. Those numbers change every year because someone does/doesn't get promoted, does/doesn't get hurt, starts/relieves, etc. so you can always go back and say IF he would have had as long a career as projected, he would've gotten there.

    The model isn't written in stone is the point. That's OK - nobody expects it to be 100% correct.

    Again, you folks seriously need to lighten up. I promise the world won't end the next time someone doesn't live up to your calculator's expectations for whatever reason. I also promise it won't end the next time someone makes a trade that doesn't follow the chart.
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Kinda like your 80% number you threw out there with nothing to back it up. If I wanted to argue that it's useless I'd have looked for the exact number of times it's been wrong and pointed that out. Those numbers change every year because someone does/doesn't get promoted, does/doesn't get hurt, starts/relieves, etc. so you can always go back and say IF he would have had as long a career as projected, he would've gotten there.

    The model isn't written in stone is the point. That's OK - nobody expects it to be 100% correct.

    Again, you folks seriously need to lighten up. I promise the world won't end the next time someone doesn't live up to your calculator's expectations for whatever reason. I also promise it won't end the next time someone makes a trade that doesn't follow the chart.
    Lol... I love it... One minute it's "I agree with it" the next minute its "I don't" when someone points out the bi-polar nature of the comments... you can't even get your thoughts consistent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzie's Chainz View Post
    So we are calling Neck Muk now?
    yeah...it can get confusing
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    Quote Originally Posted by dak View Post
    I see this trade the same way. The Reds seem like a slight winner here on a valuation basis, but I don't know if I agree with their strategy.
    I think they are more than a slight winner with some $7 mil going their way. I agree with the players not fitting squarely into their window. But they should be a decent team next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    You really haven't been here long, have you?
    His join date is only 5 months old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Individual-1 View Post
    His join date is only 5 months old.
    nice...he's rookie eligible in 2019
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I think they are more than a slight winner with some $7 mil going their way. I agree with the players not fitting squarely into their window. But they should be a decent team next year.
    The whole thing is obviously complex, but the trickiest valuation element for me is Jeter Downs. Some of the twitter sound bites on this guy are eye-popping for a guy in the back half of the top 10 on BA's list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    nice...he's rookie eligible in 2019
    Make sure you send him down til june 1 or so
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    This trade was essentially Puig and Wood for Gray and Downs. Kemp for Bailey was essentially a bad contract swap.

    That’s a 45+ position play and a 40 pitcher.

    If the Braves were after a SP and a cOF, I would have liked to see them get in on that.

    Scratch another potential cOF upgrade off the list
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    Quote Originally Posted by dak View Post
    I was just about to post this. I liked him as a buy low guy. At least liked him more than Neck

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    Mariners trading for Domingo Santana, get Haniger, AA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Mariners trading for Domingo Santana, get Haniger, AA.
    I think its clear that this is signaling a Haniger/Braves trade

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    I think its clear that this is signaling a Haniger/Braves trade
    Meh could just be a buy low deal depending what Seattle gives up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    I think its clear that this is signaling a Haniger/Braves trade
    Haniger play centerfield before...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dak View Post
    I give up on trying to figure Jerry Dipoto out. I think he just does weird things because he is literally a trade fiend. He can't help himself.

    If he goes a month without a trade, we could offer Julio for Haniger and he'd probably take it just to avoid trade withdrawals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Meh could just be a buy low deal depending what Seattle gives up.
    It was a joke... maybe not sarcastic enough

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    Was a trade for Gamel and a A+ ball reliever.... what a bizarre move...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    Was a trade for Gamel and a A+ ball reliever.... what a bizarre move...
    I swear I think Dipoto just likes being in the news.

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