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    Swanson and Albies both have such sweet swings. That is easy bat speed from Swanson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    I think players need to play when they are ready. I think being 500 next year is a stepping stone to playoffs. I don't think you want to go into 18 with 5 plus rookies

    Ideally we keep them under 172 days next yr.
    None of us want to go into 18 with 5 rookies, all of us arguing for those two to not come up till June next year want them on the roster at the least by mid 2017. There is barely any developmental difference coming up in June rather than April. Even if they blow the doors off we are looking at a difference of 4-5 wins maybe from the two of them over 2 months, so the impact on our record won't be huge either. Outside of getting a better draft pick, having 81 wins versus 77-78 wins will mean little next year. The big focus for me will be how we perform in the second half.

    Most of the best players in baseball start their clocks in Juneish, for good reason. I'm hoping to see all our top players that are High A ball and above right now in the majors by the middle of next year, with the ones in Rome hopefully being up by mid 2018.

    Spend/trade for an OF bat with pop and we are looking good for a solid run from 2019-2023 at least at that point. Those two are definitely players I hope we extend, but their are no certainties there, so we're better off maximizing service time, particularly when we are just following normal developmental progression and the players won't be getting pissed about it.
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    So wait I thought all these mega stud prospects the Braves have would be ready to dominate the sport next season. Why is there talk about 2018?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinersSBChamps View Post
    So wait I thought all these mega stud prospects the Braves have would be ready to dominate the sport next season. Why is there talk about 2018?
    You are the worst.

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    If Swanson/Albies are as good as some hope im sure the FO will try to buy out a few FA years.

    Some of yall complain just to complain.

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    The possibility of an extension is there whether or not the service clock starts this year or next year. The fact that this possibility exists does not change the arguments for or against bringing them up this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    If Swanson/Albies are as good as some hope im sure the FO will try to buy out a few FA years.

    Some of yall complain just to complain.
    This is what was said about Heyward too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    This is what was said about Heyward too...
    Don't bring up heyward and we miss the playoffs

    Heyward worked out for us IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    Don't bring up heyward and we miss the playoffs

    Heyward worked out for us IMO
    Just saying... the excuse back then was - who cares about serve time because we're going to extend him forever.

    Not holding him down 11 days cost us a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    Don't bring up heyward and we miss the playoffs

    Heyward worked out for us IMO
    But that line of justification is moot in this case, because the Braves aren't winning anything in 2016—and are very unlikely to be serious playoff contenders in 2017. At the very least, roster decisions in April 2017 shouldn't be made with much consideration for October 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    If Swanson/Albies are as good as some hope im sure the FO will try to buy out a few FA years.

    Some of yall complain just to complain.

    Key word: try

    The Braves and some Braves fans need to start operating under the realization that this is 2016 and not 1995. We are a middle to low tier payroll and not #1 anymore. There is no guarantee we will extend anybody. Therefore just carelessly bringing them up and not maximizing service time rules is mind boggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    Don't bring up heyward and we miss the playoffs

    Heyward worked out for us IMO
    A couple weeks of Swanson and/or Albies isn't going to make or break the odds of the Braves making the playoffs in 2017. Not having them for the extra year of control in 2024 could very well cost that team a playoff spot.

    See the difference? Why is this so hard for folks to grasp? What rational person would rather have those 2 players for an extra month in 2017 over an entire year in 2024?

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    I completely understand the reason why you hold them back, but I personally want to see them called up in June just because I want to watch them play. Would make the rest of this season and 2017 so much more watchable if these guys are up and playing well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    You are the worst.
    The fans are about as bad as the front office. Always backtracking and trying to convince themselves things that aren't actually true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinersSBChamps View Post
    The fans are about as bad as the front office. Always backtracking and trying to convince themselves things that aren't actually true.
    Backtracking? I'm pretty sure the fans have been pretty consistent in their accusations that you're the worst (or at least the co-worst).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Backtracking? I'm pretty sure the fans have been pretty consistent in their accusations that you're the worst (or at least the co-worst).
    Yes, he is the Fredi Gonzales or CB Bucknor of posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    What Enscheff said is correct, but what DOB said is correct too because DOB was referencing this year, not next year like Enscheff. Enscheff is saying if they wait a couple weeks into next season to call them up they get all of next year and 6 additional years. Just as with Blair we get this year and 6 additional years, though he will be super 2 when he'd not been if we simply waited a few more weeks.
    That's assuming Blair stays up the rest of the season. I think there's a decent chance he is sent down at some point before the deadline for a couple weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    That's assuming Blair stays up the rest of the season. I think there's a decent chance he is sent down at some point before the deadline for a couple weeks.
    I hope you're right, obviously. But if that's assuming it isn't me doing the assuming since both Bowman and DOB have reported that he's up to stay. Do you think they both lack sources on that?

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    I think Blair is up to stay. It just doesn't make much sense to send him down at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    I think Blair is up to stay. It just doesn't make much sense to send him down at this point.
    Though I wanted to wait, I would agree that it is hard to send him down now minus poor performance. If you do so for just two weeks, it's obvious why and I wouldn't want to make it that obvious. However, if he had a bad game soon I'd use that as a reason and just recall him in a few weeks. That said, I doubt either happens as reports as you know say he's here to stay.

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