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    Reuters did an article on it. Explainer: How powerful are Congress subpoenas, contempt citations?



    Only a majority of the 435-member House needs to support a contempt finding for one to be reached. After a contempt vote, Congress has powers to enforce a subpoena.

    How is a contempt finding enforced?

    The Supreme Court said in 1821 that Congress has “inherent authority” to arrest and detain recalcitrant witnesses. . . .

    For this reason, in modern times Congress has opted for a third and final approach to enforcing a contempt finding: getting its lawyers to bring a civil lawsuit asking a judge to rule that compliance is required.

    Failure to comply with such an order can trigger a “contempt of court” finding, enforced through daily fines and even imprisonment, Griffin said.
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    WHen Clinton didn't get impeached, this is a nothing burger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AerchAngel View Post
    WHen Clinton didn't get impeached, this is a nothing burger.
    Clinton was impeached. He wasn't convicted. The same thing will happen with Trump but timed optimally it could expose, Maine, Colorado, Arizona, Alabama, Georgia and North Carolina could all be exposed to being won by Dems if they play all their cards right. Would be really funny if they could use Trump's impeachment to expose Mitch McConnell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I say get on with the impeachment
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    There is too this school of thought



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    Impeachment is a bad idea. Even more than fighting Trump we need to fight Trumpism. Impeachment is a so-so way to fight Trump and a disastrous way to fight Trumpism. God forbid you get rid of Trump and then end up with someone more competent and more ideological.


    That could easily happen if you remove Trump without dealing with the underlying issues. Trump is not an aberration. The way to combat Trumpism is to beat it at the ballot box with an ACTUAL pro-worker candidate and then really deliver results for the multi-racial working class.


    Also, hard pass on President Pence!
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    Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D) is calling on fellow Michigan Rep. Justin Amash (R) to sign on to a resolution introducing articles of impeachment against President Trump after Amash tweeted Saturday that Trump's conduct rose to the "threshold" of impeachment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    There is too this school of thought



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    Impeachment is a bad idea. Even more than fighting Trump we need to fight Trumpism. Impeachment is a so-so way to fight Trump and a disastrous way to fight Trumpism. God forbid you get rid of Trump and then end up with someone more competent and more ideological.


    That could easily happen if you remove Trump without dealing with the underlying issues. Trump is not an aberration. The way to combat Trumpism is to beat it at the ballot box with an ACTUAL pro-worker candidate and then really deliver results for the multi-racial working class.


    Also, hard pass on President Pence!

    I would agree with that but laying out the crimes of a candidate is good campaign strategy if nothing else. It will put Trump on the defensive as he has to talk about it all through the campaign. Not prosecuting legitimizes his crimes.
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    “I don’t want to see him impeached, I want to see him in prison.”
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    1. Obstruction of justice. Robert Mueller’s decision not to formally charge Trump with obstruction of justice leaned heavily on the Department of Justice’s rule that it cannot charge the president with a crime. But Mueller clearly presented Trump’s behavior as criminal, and more than a thousand former federal prosecutors agreed that the acts cited in the report would be prosecuted as obstruction were Trump not president.

    Mueller’s report also noted “a President does not have immunity after he leaves office” and that part of his task was to “preserve the evidence.” This opens a very clear avenue for the Department of Justice to charge Trump with obstruction once his term has ended.

    2. Campaign finance violations. Last December, the Department of Justice charged Michael Cohen with campaign finance violations for his role in routing hush money payments to Stormy Daniels. The sentencing document made it clear that the buck did not stop with Cohen. “Cohen himself has now admitted,” it said, “with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1.”

    Individual-1 is of course Donald Trump. This branch of the investigation has been spun off to federal prosecutors working out of the Southern District of New York. They too will surely follow the prohibition against charging a president while in office, but this would not protect Trump afterward.

    3. Inauguration overcharges. The financing of Trump’s inauguration had several financial curiosities. Some of those involve apparent funding from foreign sources, which is illegal. But the most pertinent issues involve massive overcharging by Trump’s D.C. hotel.

    There is a long and fairly detailed paper trail showing that Trump’s inaugural committee knew it was paying Trump’s hotel absurdly inflated costs for room rentals during the inauguration period. We don’t know if Trump himself directed the scheme, and if he did, we don’t know that proof exists. But if so, this would amount to a pretty obvious crime. The U.S. Department of Justice and the Washington D.C. attorney general are both investigating.

    4. New York tax fraud. Last fall, the New York Times obtained detailed financial records showing that Trump and his father spent years committing what the paper called outright tax fraud — i.e., a crime. Though the alleged crimes uncovered by the Times occurred too long ago to be prosecuted today, the New York State attorney general is investigating Trump’s finances.

    5. Trump Foundation fraud. The Trump Foundation, Trump’s purportedly charitable body, has engaged in a pattern of self-dealing ranging from the petty (paying Donald Trump Jr.’s $7 Boy Scout membership fee) to the grand (refurbishing a fountain next to a Trump hotel). The New York attorney general alleged “a shocking pattern of illegality” and shut down the foundation, but the probe continues.


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    It would be improper if Pelosi was somehow suggesting Democrats lobby prosecutors to charge Trump once he’s out of office. But there’s no reason to think her comments, which Politico described secondhand, proposed anything of the sort.

    Rather, she seemed to reference the simple reality that defeating Trump next year would leave him exposed to criminal investigation. If Democrats believe they need the system to hold Trump accountable above and beyond mere electoral repudiation, the criminal justice system has several promising avenues through which such an outcome might result. There’s a well-justified norm against criminalizing political differences. But it does not apply to a career criminal who happened to be elected president.
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    Dems need to play it smart.

    Get the subpoenas and people to testify.

    Begin the impeachment process even though McConnell will kill it. Voters need to see something on the record and that the Dems are actually going to stand for something.
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    it is called "giving him enough rope to hang himself"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Individual-1 View Post
    Dems need to play it smart.

    Get the subpoenas and people to testify.

    Begin the impeachment process even though McConnell will kill it. Voters need to see something on the record and that the Dems are actually going to stand for something.

    Trump will have to make actual legal arguments if this goes to trial. I know the scenario of the Senate voting based on party lines looks bad but I think it will look worse on Republicans when/if they vote not guilty despite clearly proven crimes. The legal argument I have seen the OG AG Barr use is that a President cant obstruct an investigation into a crime is innocent of. Which is laughable as it would mean that obstruction of justice is legal so long as your successful at it.


    If they can get Trump to testify under oath, and I dont think it would be hard they just have to call him a coward and he will take the bait, he is a guarantee to commit perjury. There are any number of ego related questions he would lie about that arent even related to the case they could ask him.
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    Rep. Andy Levin
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    I have concluded that, absent an impeachment inquiry, even if our appeals to the courts continue to succeed, they will follow a timeline far too slow to meet the needs of the American people for truth and justice.

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    https://washingtonpress.com/2019/07/...me-fraud-case/

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    If you thought Trump got beat to hell today by the #MuellerHearing, it just got a whole lot worse.

    He also lost a dismissal motion on a Trump Org multi-level marketing scam in SDNY's civil court.

    Here comes the next class-action fraud lawsuit.

    .............

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this suit was to also ban NY State from releasing his state tax returns
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    Walls are closing in.

    This is BIG

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    you know in the grand scheme, $3900 is not really that much money,
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