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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Without any injuries or decline I doubt he accepts 3 years. He's going to want a longer contract at that age.
    A 3 year offer to Kimbrel won’t even get a return phone call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    A 3 year offer to Kimbrel won’t even get a return phone call.
    Unless its a ridiculous amount of money per year. And 20 won't be that number. Chapman just signed for 17-18 per year for 5 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Unless its a ridiculous amount of money per year. And 20 won't be that number. Chapman just signed for 17-18 per year for 5 years
    Jansen money will be the starting point for the bidding on Kimbrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Unless its a ridiculous amount of money per year. And 20 won't be that number. Chapman just signed for 17-18 per year for 5 years
    Since he'll likely be angling for his last big contract, I'm thinking 3/$90 would have to be the (obscene) range?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Since he'll likely be angling for his last big contract, I'm thinking 3/$90 would have to be the (obscene) range?
    More than likely. Otherwise I think he gets something around 5/100.

    Closers have always been an absurd overpay on the market that only the big money or dumb teams participate in.

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    5 years for Kimbrel is far more likely than $30M AAV.

    Jansen got 5/80 with an opt out after year 3. That is the starting point for Kimbrel negotiations, and teams will bid up from there. I imagine 5/100 is in play as a reasonable guess, especially if he doesn’t get an opt out.

    He will get 5 years, and he will beat the $17.3M AAV Davis just got. That means 5/90 is likely the lowest contract he can be reasonably projected to sign...barring injury, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    5 years for Kimbrel is far more likely than $30M AAV.

    Jansen got 5/80 with an opt out after year 3. That is the starting point for Kimbrel negotiations, and teams will bid up from there. I imagine 5/100 is in play as a reasonable guess, especially if he doesn’t get an opt out.

    He will get 5 years, and he will beat the $17.3M AAV Davis just got. That means 5/90 is likely the lowest contract he can be reasonably projected to sign...barring injury, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    And it will be stupid of the Braves to get involved.
    Think stupid is an understatement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
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    At what price would it make sense for the Braves? Lets assume a scenario where Kimbrel has desires to pitch back at home. What AAV over 4 years would make sense? 15?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    At what price would it make sense for the Braves? Lets assume a scenario where Kimbrel has desires to pitch back at home. What AAV over 4 years would make sense? 15?
    None. The Braves should be in no way interested in signing Kimbrel. Too much money on a luxury position. Give Minter a shot. If not start trying out the failed starters in that role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeter31 View Post
    None. The Braves should be in no way interested in signing Kimbrel. Too much money on a luxury position. Give Minter a shot. If not start trying out the failed starters in that role.
    Its all about value. Would Kimbrels production over 4 years be worth a 60-70M investment? I think an argument for that could be made.

    Not saying this is what I'd like to do because I do believe we have a pipeline of pitching that could be high leverage bullpen arms (Minter/Lindgren/Touki/Weigel/etc...) but it shouldn't be something that is ruled out if the price is right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Its all about value. Would Kimbrels production over 4 years be worth a 60-70M investment? I think an argument for that could be made.

    Not saying this is what I'd like to do because I do believe we have a pipeline of pitching that could be high leverage bullpen arms (Minter/Lindgren/Touki/Weigel/etc...) but it shouldn't be something that is ruled out if the price is right.
    Yes his production would be worth 60 million over 4 years. But that's fantasy land for what he will sign for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Yes his production would be worth 60 million over 4 years. But that's fantasy land for what he will sign for.
    You'll end up being right but I would be interested to know if the chatter is true and he is motivated to pitch back at home.
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    Kimbrel is old. Do not pay for an old closer

    We have minter Newcombe wiegel etc who could be very good for cheap.

    If the braves can put 60 million plus in a closer then they should take that money and roll it into harpers 400 plus million

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    I don’t see us going after Kimbrel at any price. Prices for relievers are getting out of hand. If I were AA I’d be looking at the relievers being ignored next offseason as it is deep.

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    Because there is a huge crop of high end FA players next offseason, what is Machado likely to get or does it depend a ton on his 2018?

    He hits FA at a very young age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Because there is a huge crop of high end FA players next offseason, what is Machado likely to get or does it depend a ton on his 2018?

    He hits FA at a very young age.
    Machado is going to get upwards of $400M total with 1 or more opt out. He is not a plausible target for the Braves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Machado is going to get upwards of $400M total with 1 or more opt out. He is not a plausible target for the Braves.

    I'm not saying they are even going to try with Machado, but he is one of the few mega contracts I could see making sense for Atlanta.

    So much prime covered by the deal and he should be playable defensively for just about any contract length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I'm not saying they are even going to try with Machado, but he is one of the few mega contracts I could see making sense for Atlanta.

    So much prime covered by the deal and he should be playable defensively for just about any contract length.
    Does it make sense that the Yankees and Dodgers have bent over backwards to reset their luxury tax penalties and will then be outbid by a mid-market team on the most valuable players to hit FA since...ARod?

    Not to mention the Phils have waaaay more money than the Braves with almost zero payroll spent.

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