Page 19 of 20 FirstFirst ... 917181920 LastLast
Results 361 to 380 of 396

Thread: GDT 9-17 NIGHT OF THE FOLTY RETURNS

  1. #361
    Sabermetric Slut
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Your Mom's Basement
    Posts
    29,668
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,721
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,744
    Thanked in
    5,837 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanforlife88 View Post
    heard on the radio this morning that over the last 4 games, the braves have given up something crazy like 32 walks....

    that is a direct reflection of our pitching coach IMO. im fine bringing snitker back for another year, i'd love to have the rest of the coaching staff back, except Hernandez....he should have been fired a long time ago.
    is he telling them to walk players?

  2. #362
    It's OVER 5,000! msstate7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    37,263
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    404
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,293
    Thanked in
    3,675 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanforlife88 View Post
    heard on the radio this morning that over the last 4 games, the braves have given up something crazy like 32 walks....

    that is a direct reflection of our pitching coach IMO. im fine bringing snitker back for another year, i'd love to have the rest of the coaching staff back, except Hernandez....he should have been fired a long time ago.
    The braves are pretty much unwatchable at the moment. Last 5 games...

    45.0 ip 38 bb 32 k
    BB9 = 7.6
    K9 = 6.4

  3. #363
    Boras' Client
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    swamps of S. Ga
    Posts
    4,197
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,121
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    572
    Thanked in
    399 Posts
    The title of this thread is right on target. "The Night of Return of Folty" hit the nail on the head, we saw what we've seen for several years.

  4. #364
    Steve Harvey'd
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    Posts
    18,946
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,856
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,329
    Thanked in
    3,353 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    is he telling them to walk players?
    No. But is he doing anything to correct it. If he never learned control can he teach control.
    Coppy

  5. #365
    Shift Leader CyYoung31's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    24,244
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,032
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,990
    Thanked in
    5,481 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    No. But is he doing anything to correct it. If he never learned control can he teach control.
    Could Mazzone ever pitch? Those who can’t do teach. Those who can’t teach, teach gym.

  6. The Following User Says Thank You to CyYoung31 For This Useful Post:

    JohnAdcox (09-18-2018)

  7. #366
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Posts
    7,772
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    270
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,491
    Thanked in
    1,150 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    No. But is he doing anything to correct it. If he never learned control can he teach control.

    Did Leo Mazzone ever win a Cy Young as a player? Is he in the Hall of Fame?

    I suspect Hernandez is a very average coach. Should the Braves get a really good pitching coach if they can? Sure.

    concluding that Hernandez is the reason the Braves pitchers walk guys just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

  8. #367
    Awaiting a Promotion
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Acworth,GA
    Posts
    568
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    14
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    182
    Thanked in
    101 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanforlife88 View Post
    heard on the radio this morning that over the last 4 games, the braves have given up something crazy like 32 walks....

    that is a direct reflection of our pitching coach IMO. im fine bringing snitker back for another year, i'd love to have the rest of the coaching staff back, except Hernandez....he should have been fired a long time ago.
    as per Mark Boman
    The Braves have issued 26 walks over their past 27 IP. Greg Maddux issued 23 BB over 209.2 IP in 1995, 28 BB over 245 IP in 1996 and 20 BB over 232.2 IP in 1997. Atlanta has also issued 89 BB over 127 IP going back to Sept. 3. Maddux totaled 71 BB over 687.1 IP from 1995-97

  9. The Following User Says Thank You to depley For This Useful Post:

    JohnAdcox (09-18-2018)

  10. #368
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,432
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    The braves are pretty much unwatchable at the moment. Last 5 games...

    45.0 ip 38 bb 32 k
    BB9 = 7.6
    K9 = 6.4
    so the pitchers pitches poorly when they pitch poorly...and walk too many when they walk too many

    otoh there are times when the pitchers pitch well (see recent road trip) and don't walk too many
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  11. #369
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,432
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by depley View Post
    as per Mark Boman
    The Braves have issued 26 walks over their past 27 IP. Greg Maddux issued 23 BB over 209.2 IP in 1995, 28 BB over 245 IP in 1996 and 20 BB over 232.2 IP in 1997. Atlanta has also issued 89 BB over 127 IP going back to Sept. 3. Maddux totaled 71 BB over 687.1 IP from 1995-97
    Bowman and DOB are both masters of this curious way of using statistics...the non-analytic method...maybe i will think of a better name for it later
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  12. The Following User Says Thank You to nsacpi For This Useful Post:

    jpx7 (09-18-2018)

  13. #370
    Sabermetric Slut
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Your Mom's Basement
    Posts
    29,668
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,721
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,744
    Thanked in
    5,837 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    No. But is he doing anything to correct it. If he never learned control can he teach control.
    That's not how it works.

    Overall the Braves pitching has been good this year and better than anyone could have expected.

  14. #371
    Sabermetric Slut
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Your Mom's Basement
    Posts
    29,668
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,721
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,744
    Thanked in
    5,837 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    Could Mazzone ever pitch? Those who can’t do teach. Those who can’t teach, teach gym.
    And those who can't teach gym work at Walmart

  15. #372
    It's OVER 5,000! msstate7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    37,263
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    404
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,293
    Thanked in
    3,675 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    so the pitchers pitches poorly when they pitch poorly...and walk too many when they walk too many

    otoh there are times when the pitchers pitch well (see recent road trip) and don't walk too many
    Thanks. Did you disagree with what I said or what?

  16. #373
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,432
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Thanks. Did you disagree with what I said or what?
    my disagreement stems from the fact that pitching performance goes up and down...and we can all cherry pick periods that distress us or makes us happy...but i have an old fashioned view which is that statistics should be used for illumination

    end of anti-cherry picking rant
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  17. The Following User Says Thank You to nsacpi For This Useful Post:

    jpx7 (09-18-2018)

  18. #374
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,432
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Braves team pitching walk rate data by month:

    April 4.9 per 9 innings
    May 3.4
    June 3.2
    July 4.0
    August 3.0
    September 5.7

    Was Chuck Hernandez a lousy pitching coach in April then a better one in May, June and August. Were our pitchers good those months and bad the others. Enough with the nonsense.

    These numbers always fluctuate month to month and even more week to week.

    I will throw out an "analytic" observation. And I haven't looked at the data on this. But from watching the games, it seems to me in the past few weeks our pitchers are throwing more breaking balls, especially early in the count. Might want to go back to the fastball.
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  19. The Following User Says Thank You to nsacpi For This Useful Post:

    jpx7 (09-18-2018)

  20. #375
    It's OVER 5,000! msstate7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    37,263
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    404
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,293
    Thanked in
    3,675 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    my disagreement stems from the fact that pitching performance goes up and down...and we can all cherry pick periods that distress us or makes us happy...but i have an old fashioned view which is that statistics should be used for illumination

    end of anti-cherry picking rant
    I would guess (perhaps wrong) that 38 bb in 45 innings is the worst stretch or top 5 in mlb this season. This made it noteworthy to me. The braves are 3rd worst in mlb this season in walks, so not like im painting a good control team as being wild

    ETA... actually 2nd at 3.89 bb9
    Last edited by msstate7; 09-18-2018 at 10:03 AM.

  21. The Following User Says Thank You to msstate7 For This Useful Post:

    jpx7 (09-18-2018)

  22. #376
    It's OVER 5,000! UNCBlue012's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    23,426
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    4,919
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,636
    Thanked in
    1,990 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Braves team pitching walk rate data by month:

    April 4.9 per 9 innings
    May 3.4
    June 3.2
    July 4.0
    August 3.0
    September 5.7

    Was Chuck Hernandez a lousy pitching coach in April then a better one in May, June and August. Were our pitchers good those months and bad the others. Enough with the nonsense.

    These numbers always fluctuate month to month and even more week to week.

    I will throw out an "analytic" observation. And I haven't looked at the data on this. But from watching the games, it seems to me in the past few weeks our pitchers are throwing more breaking balls, especially early in the count. Might want to go back to the fastball.
    I've said it before but I think the bullpen, collectively, is just trying way too hard right now. They're trying so hard to not walk batters that they're walking them.

  23. #377
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,432
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    And what do the data show regarding my theory?

    Fastball % by month for Braves pitchers:

    April 55.4%
    May 59.4%
    June 51.3%
    July 54.8%
    August 51.5%
    September 51.1%

    Well, we have gone away from the fastball the last two months. But our walk data was good in August. I suspect though if we investigated this in a more granular way (by pitcher and by early in the count) we might find some interesting things. Anyone want to do the grunt work on this?
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  24. #378
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Orlando,FL
    Posts
    8,328
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,013
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,349
    Thanked in
    1,487 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    is he telling them to walk players?
    Of course not, but when a team collectively fails, it usually falls on the manager. When players get over weight or don't have the ability to last a full season, it typically falls on the strength and conditioning coach...when a pitching staff collectively cannot throw strikes it is 100% on the pitching coaches.

    He is working with these pitchers on a daily basis in the bullpen and behind the scenes. He has to figure out a way for these guys to get control.....You are a major league pitcher, you have to know how to throw strikes.
    Get off my lawn!

  25. #379
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,432
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanforlife88 View Post
    Of course not, but when a team collectively fails, it usually falls on the manager. When players get over weight or don't have the ability to last a full season, it typically falls on the strength and conditioning coach...when a pitching staff collectively cannot throw strikes it is 100% on the pitching coaches.

    He is working with these pitchers on a daily basis in the bullpen and behind the scenes. He has to figure out a way for these guys to get control.....You are a major league pitcher, you have to know how to throw strikes.
    My question is was the manager good in August or on the road trip, but not good the past two series. Same question with respect to pitching coach. Same with respect to the pitchers.
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  26. The Following User Says Thank You to nsacpi For This Useful Post:

    jpx7 (09-18-2018)

  27. #380
    Sabermetric Slut
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Your Mom's Basement
    Posts
    29,668
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,721
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,744
    Thanked in
    5,837 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanforlife88 View Post
    Of course not, but when a team collectively fails, it usually falls on the manager. When players get over weight or don't have the ability to last a full season, it typically falls on the strength and conditioning coach...when a pitching staff collectively cannot throw strikes it is 100% on the pitching coaches.

    He is working with these pitchers on a daily basis in the bullpen and behind the scenes. He has to figure out a way for these guys to get control.....You are a major league pitcher, you have to know how to throw strikes.
    Collectively the pitching staff has been a positive. So I don't see it as a failure. The walks do suck but the team suddenly walking a ton in 5 games is not on the pitching coach. As you said these are major league pitchers and they should know how to throw strikes.

Similar Threads

  1. GDT 4/27: THE NIGHT FOLTY RE- SPAWNED...
    By Hulavol in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 225
    Last Post: 04-29-2019, 12:46 AM
  2. GDT 10-4 THE NIGHT THE KILLER FOLTY UNLEASHES HELL ON CALIFORNIA
    By Hulavol in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 390
    Last Post: 10-05-2018, 06:00 PM
  3. GDT 8/30/18 THE NIGHT OF THE FOLTY PART IV...HE LIVES!!
    By Hulavol in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 149
    Last Post: 09-02-2018, 08:22 PM
  4. GDT- 8/8/18- Night of the FOLTY
    By Hulavol in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 402
    Last Post: 08-12-2018, 09:46 PM
  5. 6/25 Minors FINAL Saturday ... Beech, Allard, Folty aces of night
    By rico43 in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 06-26-2016, 07:24 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •