Watching tehteh defend Coppy for no apparent reason is as amusing as reviewing his predictions lol.
Watching tehteh defend Coppy for no apparent reason is as amusing as reviewing his predictions lol.
Braves1976 (03-28-2018), nsacpi (03-28-2018)
Braves1976 (03-28-2018)
Didn't Wren draft or sign the likes of Gattis, Kimbrel, Simmons and Wood? And of course Albies and Acuna.
And didn't he also make the great trade for JUpton?
Aren't those the assets that Coppy used to acquire the ****ty pitching prospects?
Braves1976 (03-28-2018)
Actually imagine a rebuild where everything is different. According to Jeff Wren (probably not the most reliable I know) Frank tried to rebuild multiple times and wasn't allowed to. I'm guessing the FW rebuild probably doesn't involve either Upton. Probably involved trading McCann rather than letting him walk in FA. Maybe trading off Heyward sooner for even more return.
Reality is we don't really know what the Braves would look like in another rebuild because most of the people in charge are still in Charge. McGuirk and JS are still there. Sure they got rid of Coppy and Hart, and before that Wren. But the 2 at the very top are still there.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
Braves1976 (03-28-2018), jpx7 (03-28-2018)
I am not upset. Just banter on the eve of meaningful baseball.
Coppy
GM Roy Clark?
Braves1976 (03-28-2018), GovClintonTyree (03-29-2018), jpx7 (03-28-2018)
Really what would have been ideal for the Braves as far as wins would have been for Bobby and JS to both retire after 06 or 07. The Tex trade was truly miserable on both of their behalves. JS for making the trade and Cox for demanding a MLB 1st baseman on the flip side.
Didn't we have a really good offer from Tampa for Tex?
Anyway if we just didn't make the trade we'd have all those pieces. Going into 2007 Salty was 36 Andrus 66 Harrison 90. Going into 2008 Andrus 19, Feliz 93. 2009 Feliz 10 Andrus 37. 2010 Feliz 9.
So basically we moved 3 top 40 prospects. In return we got a former top prospect with some mild intrigue in Kotchman and a nobody prospect in Marek who's a reliever prospect.
We know what we got back at this point of the trade.
We got
Tex (6.1 rWAR)
Mahay (0.8 rWAR)
Kotchman (0.7rWAR)
We gave up (career stats)
Salty (6.0 rWAR)
Harrison (9.2 rWAR)
Andrus (28.2 rWAR)
Feliz (7.6 rWAR)
Now of course that's not the real value we gave up because all of them were in the majors long enough to leave rookie contract. But you can truly see how bad we were fleeced. And that's not factoring in the value Feliz brought as a prospect which was much higher than what he did in the majors, probably due to injury.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
wren inherited a lot of good players. he did a poor job of adding to those good players. he did a poor job of building a farm system to supplement those players. those are things he was tasked with doing, and he failed at it.
trading guys with 1 year left before huge FA deals isn't often going to lead to huge returns. there were some bad and good trades, along with solid-to-great drafts.
this idea that wren was a good GM is kind of a joke to me.
I never accused him of being a good gm. He had good moments and I really believe he had pressures from JS and Cox to win now. I think hart and coppy had same pressure to win sooner than needed. I think both were bad gms. Hart coppy nut kicked us and that makes them infinitely worse.
Coppy
jpx7 (03-28-2018)