GDT: PHILS vs BRAVES [Game 3]

[jpx7]

The flavor of the week is exactly the idea that the “third time through the order” is a new discovery that deserves a new solution.

I appreciate the idea has merit. It’s not really even a new fix but the logistics of implementation it are dubious.

I’m not making a personal attack on you. I responded to one thing you said about a shortage of pitchers who can go three tiles through an order. You asked me to elaborate and I did.

I didn’t mean to suggest that you read blogs. I don’t know whether you do or not and I wasn’t really picturing you specifically doing that when I made my comment.

No offense or shade intended towards you. Sorry if it seemed like it was aimed at you.

Again, the confusion for me, in terms of the thesis and tenor of your response, is that "a shortage of pitchers who can go three times through an order" relative to previous eras is not what I was discussing or asserting. I was talking about team behavior, and more and more teams definitely seem to be constructing their roster around the idea of limiting the exposure of their starters to later-inning and third-time-through PAs, stuffing their 25-man with the sort of talented-with-caveats pitchers that in times past might have bounced around as fourth and fifth starters but are now being tasked with concentrated-effort multi-inning relief roles.

Is that the optimal corrective for the fact that most SP's performance degrades over the course of a given game? I don't know, and I wasn't not saying it is. I was just refuting the idea that such a corrective, embraced as it is, will make the Max Frieds of the league more valuable by generating demand—since, as I said, I think one reason teams are pursing this specific corrective is because a lot of organizations have a few Max Frieds hanging around.

What I'm definitely not saying is that suddenly pitchers forgot how to pitch past the sixth, or through the third time, like two or three years ago. And I was even arguing Thursday that Kapler's decision was bad for a rebuilding team because if you don't let guys try to pitch deeper into games, you'll never know if they generally can; indeed, we might be seeing a little hyper-correction at the moment in that regard. Plus: one of my favorite game-types is the ten-inning CG, so I'm certainly not hoping that all starters start to see the quick hook in all situations.

[NinersSBChamps]

Phillies should be fined for blatantly ignoring rules

Get an umpire crew out there to enforce/know the rules first. Phillies screwed up, but umpires let them get away with it.

[salmagundy]

Kap gonna get fired by June

By mid May at the latest

[Braves1976]

Plus by allowing that crap McCarthy had to run the bases longer. Hopefully he got enough rest and is sharp this inning.

Not surprised by leadoff double after McCarthy ran the bases that long. Happens a lot.

[striker42]

Phillies should be fined for blatantly ignoring rules

Phil's just screwed up. Umps should have forced their pitcher to start without his warmup tosses. Umps covered up for the Phils hard. The crew chief should be fined and demoted.

[GovClintonTyree]

Gabe just got a dose of immediate karma.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

Phil's just screwed up. Umps should have forced their pitcher to start without his warmup tosses. Umps covered up for the Phils hard. The crew chief should be fined and demoted.

I mean yeah, that's true. that was embarrassingly bad

[cajunrevenge]

Chip is absolutely right. What good are these pace of play rules if you don’t enforce them?

I am sure they will be enforced when we violate the rules. If I was Snit I would have just asked the ump to allow the same for the Braves if they werent going to dq the pitcher.

[thethe]

Kingery is going to kill us for a long time

[sturg33]

I shutter to think how awful it's goijg to be ton watch the Phillies early on. Kapler will get better at his job but it's cringe worthy right now.

If I'ma Phillies fan I can't imagine how miserable it will be. He is making these games like 4.5 hours

[msstate7]

Kingery is going to kill us for a long time

Trea turner 2.0

[cajunrevenge]

McCarthy is depressing to watch pitch.

[Southcack77]

Again, the confusion for me, in terms of the thesis and tenor of your response, is that "a shortage of pitchers who can go three times through an order" relative to previous eras is not what I was discussing or asserting. I was talking about team behavior, and more and more teams definitely seem to be constructing their roster around the idea of limiting the exposure of their starters to later-inning and third-time-through PAs, stuffing their 25-man with the sort of talented-with-caveats pitchers that in times past might have bounced around as fourth and fifth starters but are now being tasked with concentrated-effort multi-inning relief roles.

Is that the optimal corrective for the fact that most SP's performance degrades over the course of a given game? I don't know, and I wasn't not saying it is. I was just refuting the idea that such a corrective, embraced as it is, will make the Max Frieds of the league more valuable by generating demand—since, as I said, I think one reason teams are pursing this specific corrective is because a lot of organizations have a few Max Frieds hanging around.

What I'm definitely not saying is that suddenly pitchers forgot how to pitch past the sixth, or through the third time, like two or three years ago. And I was even arguing Thursday that Kapler's decision was bad for a rebuilding team because if you don't let guys try to pitch deeper into games, you'll never know if they generally can; indeed, we might be seeing a little hyper-correction at the moment in that regard. Plus: one of my favorite game-types is the ten-inning CG, so I'm certainly not hoping that all starters start to see the quick hook in all situations.

Ok. I thought maybe you did suggest there were fewer now than before. I misunderstood.

It wasn’t intended as an personal insult. I promise.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

If I'ma Phillies fan I can't imagine how miserable it will be. He is making these games like 4.5 hours

I think this year will be the most I've ever hated the Phillies. Hitting our backup catcher on the hand after starter was injured and all this garbage

[thethe]

These umps are going to be worse at their jobs with this pace of play. They are just standing around doing nothing for way too long.

[Southcack77]

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a manager make a pitching change without someone warmed up. If that is actually what happened. Sometimes the Braves broadcast team is not dependable.

Given Snitker got tossed, I’m guessing they were right though.

[thethe]

If I'ma Phillies fan I can't imagine how miserable it will be. He is making these games like 4.5 hours

They better have another 6-10 arms in their minor leagues waiting to get outs. It's going to be ugly if they don't have that.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a manager make a pitching change without someone warmed up. If that is actually what happened. Sometimes the Braves broadcast team is not dependable.

Given Snitker got tossed, I’m guessing they were right though.

Yeah. Plus pitching change in 3rd inning makes it a lot more likely. And they got confirmation on it. That was a debacle

[msstate7]

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a manager make a pitching change without someone warmed up. If that is actually what happened. Sometimes the Braves broadcast team is not dependable.

Given Snitker got tossed, I’m guessing they were right though.

Miss state did it this year opening series. Our coach was texting his mistress in the dug out, and had no idea. He was fired after 3 games this season for his affair

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

They better have another 6-10 arms in their minor leagues waiting to get outs. It's going to be ugly if they don't have that.

If they don't change anything in their method, I think we may have already tanked their season. Ridiculous stuff