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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    But that is all I'm saying Zito. I've never said its the end all. But the teams/players that restrict their K's are on average more productive offensive players. You can still strike out a lot a be a great offensive player. I just think you are more susceptible to falling off of a cliff and fast.
    It's negligible and not what you had said at first. The Astros team you are pimping from last year also had really good offensives the previous two years and struck out a lot then. In reality there really is no correlation between low strikeout teams and high scoring. The reason is because good offensive hitters/teams come in a variety of ways. The goal is to acquire good hitters/players no matter how they accomplish it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    It's negligible and not what you had said at first. The Astros team you are pimping from last year also had really good offensives the previous two years and struck out a lot then. In reality there really is no correlation between low strikeout teams and high scoring. The reason is because good offensive hitters/teams come in a variety of ways. The goal is to acquire good hitters/players no matter how they accomplish it.
    Is it negligible when it is describing a large population of data?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Is it negligible when it is describing a large population of data?
    So do the teams with the best offenses also have the lowest strikeout rates? Because that's what you are trying to say and is obviously not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    So do the teams with the best offenses also have the lowest strikeout rates? Because that's what you are trying to say and is obviously not true.
    Hitters with a high contact rate that are not light hitting Juan pierres are the best hitters. Doesn't have to be Stanton type of power
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Hitters with a high contact rate that are not light hitting Juan pierres are the best hitters. Doesn't have to be Stanton type of power
    How light of a hitter does a player have to be to not be considered light hitting like Juan Pierre?

    Anyways I looked at the top 30 hitters since 2007 with the lowest K%, with at least a 140 ISO (roughly average or slightly below for power), and at least 2000 PA.


    7 of those players didn't even have a 100 WRC+ in that span. Only 3 had a WRC+ over 130 who all will likely end up in the HOF. Most were just ok hitters.

    Again high contact is just another thing that can help a player be a good hitter. But like any one thing it will take more to become a good hitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Low strikeouts indicate to me better contact rates. Better contact rates for players with power lead to more homeruns.

    Better contact rates also result in spoiling tough pitches which lead to longer ABs that lead to walks.

    Everything is related.
    Hey, you’re learning!

    This is why stats like wOBA and wRC exist. They tell us how good a player is, regardless if he is a high contact singles hitter, a low contact power hitter, or something in between.

    This is settled science.

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    Now that we have seen the the competition in the NL East who is for real??? (Marlins aren't considered competition this year) This is going to be a fun year to watch the division.
    The teams seem to match up well against each other. The Nats are probably still the class of the division but the competition has closed the gap.

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    This year just feels like a bonus with Harper leaving the Nationals after this year. Outside of Harper the rest of the team can barely out homer Ozzie Albies. Would be awesome o spoil this year for the Nationals by winning the division. I think we are the best equipped team for the long season. No team has the caliber of prospects we do waiting to get a chance later this year. The division I think will come down to trades before the deadline. I would feel really tempted to add a closer caliber reliever to push everyone down a slot in the pen. A Front line starter could potentially make us world series contenders. The Mets are pretenders imo. Phillies are contenders somehow. Dont think they make the playoffs but 80+ wins. Nationals could implode but odds are they will be in it. I kind of hope the Nationals go for broke at the trade deadline in an attempt to win in Harpers last year. Best case scenario for me as a fan is a Braves/Nationals NLCS.
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    Nationals are loaded. If they don’t even win the division this year, heads should roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    Nationals are loaded. If they don’t even win the division this year, heads should roll.
    They have rolled heads two other times already. If they don’t make the playoffs this year maybe they need a new approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    They have rolled heads two other times already. If they don’t make the playoffs this year maybe they need a new approach.
    Firing a manager isn’t exactly rolling heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    Firing a manager isn’t exactly rolling heads.
    Ahh. You think big heads will roll.
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