Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
Keep in mind , Soroka is a 50 FV guy if I remember right for now.
Um no. A 40 FV for the package of Harrell/Alvarez is entirely within the realm of expectations.
Alvarez was a much better asset than folks around here realize apparently. He was more valuable than Harrell.
The Braves would do well to get the equivalent of Alvarez in return for Garcia at the deadline.
Last edited by Enscheff; 06-16-2017 at 02:51 PM.
clvclv (06-16-2017)
Except the Braves didn't get a 40 FV prospect for that package, they got a 45-50 FV prospect.
At the time of the trade Longerhans had TD as a 45 FV guy and he's currently listed as a 50 FV guy.
Yes Alvarez was a better asset than Harrel, no he is not much better than people around here realize, and the Braves will get a better piece than Dario Alvarez if they trade Garcia.
Dario Alvarez career numbers - 5.48 ERA, 5.18 WHIP, -.04 WAR. That's the guy you don't think people around here 'fully appreciate'??
I don't even want to get into this tit-for-tat type of stuff; its pointless and I don't think most of the board enjoys reading it.
My point has never been that Garcia is going to land a top-100 type player, but I think he can land a guy with tools that has upside or an exciting player that has fallen out of favor. Maybe a guy like Derian Cruz in another system, some really young player who has some holes but upside. Or a guy like TD, who has legitimate tools but has fallen out of favor, those are the types I would target and I think Garcia could land one of them.
Cruz is a 40 FV right now and TD was 45 FV when traded and is a 50 FV now according to FGs.
If you can find a way to package pieces together to land a better piece that works as well.
At the time of the trade (7/27/16) FG didn't have Longenhagen's FV on anyone (Braves list posted 2/21/17). So I have no idea what you're taking about.
Further, TD is currently a FV 45 guy on FG. So again, I have no idea what you're talking about.
And yes, that Dario Alvarez. The BP LHer that had 16 K/9 with the Braves, and is nearly at 10 per with the Rangers. The one with 5 years of control when he was traded.
But hey, keep thinking the Braves are going to get a haul for Garcia. Who am I to dash the hopes of a pozzy-Barve?
Harrell/Alvarez were not that valuable at all. Signed and claimed off the trash heap. What made them valuable is the fact a GM could cover two needs in one trade. To even compare those two guys to someone like Phillips or Garcia is laughable. JJ, Garcia, Phillips and Adams have NEVER been reclamation type players...ever.
Saying we when we acquired TD is not a normal return is one thing...trying to compare these players is not.
Last edited by TheBravos; 06-16-2017 at 03:23 PM.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/insta...vis-demeritte/
Here's the breakdown on TD from Longerhans when he was traded, within the article he breaks down his tools and gives him a 45 FV. Maybe it didn't update to the site?
I have never said they'll get a haul for him.
Dario and Harrell were great for us.. but it was such a small sample size that no competent GM would ever over pay if they paid attention to the advanced stats that define who they really are.
Again, stop side stepping the question.
What do you geniuses think the return for Garcia is going to be this trade deadline? If I'm wrong, tell me what's right. We will look back after the deadline and point out, once again, that you have no idea what you're talking about.
You are all so quick to nitpick whatever I say, so step up and make your own evaluations.
I'll start...
Garcia has a surplus value in the $5M range. I could see that getting a 40 FV lottery ticket pitcher with control/injury concerns. Someone like Duane Underwood from the Cubs, a low mid/end FV 40 guy with some upside.