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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    8 of the top 10 selling drugs in the world last year were developed by American companies
    Yes, it's big business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    Yes, it's big business.
    Yes... thank goodness we incentivize life saving cures

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    It is worth looking at what other countries are doing that enables them to provide their citizens with solid health care without the high costs and financial risks associated with our system.

    High administrative costs are a defining feature of our system. This strikes me as relatively low hanging fruit for any reform.

    The late Martin Feldstein put forth a plan I liked a lot back in 2009 during the Obamacare debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    It is worth looking at what other countries are doing that enables them to provide their citizens with solid health care without the high costs and financial risks associated with our system.

    High administrative costs are a defining feature of our system. This strikes me as relatively low hanging fruit for any reform.

    The late Martin Feldstein put forth a plan I liked a lot back in 2009 during the Obamacare debate.
    They get our drugs for cheaper prices

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    They get our drugs for cheaper prices
    There is something to that. The rest of the world does not provide as much in the way of financial incentives for innovation in medical care. And they get to free ride to some extent on the innovations developed here. Discounted ride might be a good way of describing it.
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    Jeff Tiedrich
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    no one could have predicted that the party of

    compromised Russian assets,

    blackout-drunk rapist judges,

    sex-trafficking plutocrats,

    pedophile wrestling coaches,

    concentration camp fanboys

    and bone saw murder apologists

    would also be the party of

    greasy Ukraine shakedown defenders


    .....

    " but I'm a Libertarian"
    at this point in history that only means you didnt have the balls to stand up when it was time for you to stand up
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
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    no one could have predicted that the party of

    compromised Russian assets,

    blackout-drunk rapist judges,

    sex-trafficking plutocrats,

    pedophile wrestling coaches,

    concentration camp fanboys

    and bone saw murder apologists

    would also be the party of

    greasy Ukraine shakedown defenders


    .....

    " but I'm a Libertarian"
    at this point in history that only means you didnt have the balls to stand up when it was time for you to stand up
    This seems like an honest take

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    Giuliani: “I’m the true whistleblower; a real hero! I can’t wait to tell the American people the truth and expose the Democrats!”

    Congress: “Would you like to appear before Congress, tell the American people the truth and expose the Democrats?”

    Giuliani: “No thanks.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    This seems like an honest take
    whatever became of Gary Johnson ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    whatever became of Gary Johnson ?
    Guess we both voted voted for losers

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    I was one of 66M that understood the options
    you ?
    You might as well voted for Lady Gaga

    so, whatever did happen to Gary Johnson ?
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    A book ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    I was one of 66M that understood the options
    you ?
    You might as well voted for Lady Gaga

    so, whatever did happen to Gary Johnson ?
    Writing,advocating teaching ?
    A book ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    I was one of 66M that understood the options
    you ?
    You might as well voted for Lady Gaga

    so, whatever did happen to Gary Johnson ?
    Writing,advocating teaching ?
    A book ...
    Sucks that we both wasted our votes on losers

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    I dont view my vote as a waste nor a smug statement
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    I dont view my vote as a waste nor a smug statement
    Nor do I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    I’d really love to take away the choice of, say, buying your insulin or paying your rent for the month.
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    What youre really saying is youd like to take the choice away from someone to charge what they want for their property/ideas/effort.

    Who is John Galt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Yes... thank goodness we incentivize life saving cures
    And then said companies sell them at rates people can't afford. Making such "life saving cures" completely null and void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I really hope today's socialists take a look st some history and decide which side they want to be on
    Yeah for real. Countries like Canada, Denmark, Sweden.... who wants to be like those countries? All safe and economically thriving. What **** holes.


    I'm no "socialist" by any means, but there are plenty of examples of socialist ideas that are successful. Not to mention we have plenty of socialist endeavors already in use in our government currently, but whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    And then said companies sell them at rates people can't afford. Making such "life saving cures" completely null and void.
    How do you reconcile companies making too much profit while also saying their product is too expensive for anyone to buy? Gilead for example, has basically eradicated Hep C. They dont make any more money on the drug bc there are no more patients left to cure.

    These cures dont grow on ****ing trees. It takes billions of dollars and many years to get them to market. And on top of that, over 90% of drugs never make it to market.

    You want these companies to risk billions of dollars with no upside of profiting from it?

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