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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    The new BP arms have each faced about 20 whole batters with the Braves...or roughly 1 start for a SP.

    This is moronically reactionary, even for this board...
    My point in starting this thread was to show how absolutely absurd our new relievers BABIP luck has been. These guys are nowhere near as bad as their results have been since they got here. The number of balls finding grass has been unsustainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    My point in starting this thread was to show how absolutely absurd our new relievers BABIP luck has been. These guys are nowhere near as bad as their results have been since they got here. The number of balls finding grass has been unsustainable.
    Agreed. I should have been more clear about what I meant by "this".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    The new BP arms have each faced about 20 whole batters with the Braves...or roughly 1 start for a SP.

    This is moronically reactionary, even for this board...
    What is the MENSA board saying about this ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    My point in starting this thread was to show how absolutely absurd our new relievers BABIP luck has been. These guys are nowhere near as bad as their results have been since they got here. The number of balls finding grass has been unsustainable.
    Sure they are going to be better than a 10+ ERA lol. Hopefully the regression will come at the right time. Not sure if giving up prospects was worth 3 bullpen arms that will end up with a ~4.00 combined ERA, even if the prospects werent considered much. We will all sing a different tune if they can get outs in the playoffs. Thats kinda just the nature of the beast, its unfair but....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravesfan View Post
    Sure they are going to be better than a 10+ ERA lol. Hopefully the regression will come at the right time. Not sure if giving up prospects was worth 3 bullpen arms that will end up with a ~4.00 combined ERA, even if the prospects werent considered much. We will all sing a different tune if they can get outs in the playoffs. Thats kinda just the nature of the beast, its unfair but....
    Ultimately the value of adding those guys is almost exclusively tied to their postseason performance. Adding them to this team didn’t really move the Braves division winning odds which is already quite high.

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    Through the first 20 combined appearances, their combined ERA is 11.74, WHIP 2.28. Can only get better from here, can't possibly get any worse.

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    Current BABIP's as Braves:

    Greene- .579
    Melancon- .526
    Martin- .467

    This is still absolutely ridiculous. Over half the balls put in play against these guys are finding grass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Current BABIP's as Braves:

    Greene- .579
    Melancon- .526
    Martin- .467

    This is still absolutely ridiculous. Over half the balls put in play against these guys are finding grass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    this too shall pass
    Like a bowling ball sized kidney stone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Like a bowling ball sized kidney stone.
    short term pain long term gain
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    "I am your retribution."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    short term pain long term gain
    But what if the short term pain is just too great to handle. Is there surgery that can make it go quicker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    But what if the short term pain is just too great to handle. Is there surgery that can make it go quicker.
    take some tylenol and call me back in a week
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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Current BABIP's as Braves:

    Greene- .579
    Melancon- .526
    Martin- .467

    This is still absolutely ridiculous. Over half the balls put in play against these guys are finding grass.
    I find it encouraging that we're still winning games despite this. Once they turn it around, we'll be in very good shape.

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    For the season BABIP against our pitchers is .305.

    Meanwhile, for the season our hitters have a BABIP of .309.

    BABIP is not something to worry about. It is something to look at to understand if short-term fluctuations in results are just that or symptoms of something that is real and needs addressing.
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    The starting pitching and offense has been incredible. If we can get the pen even somewhat stable then we can roll. But as soon as that happens the offense and/or starters will crap the bed
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    The starting pitching and offense has been incredible. If we can get the pen even somewhat stable then we can roll. But as soon as that happens the offense and/or starters will crap the bed
    Well with an attitude like that, yeah.
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    Before this disappears into the ether some updated numbers on the news guys as Braves:

    Melancon 12.3 K rate, 1.2 BB rate, .458 BABIP, 0.90 FIP, 1.44 xFIP
    Martin 12.2, 1.4, .389, 2.92, 2.46
    Greene 9.8, 2.5, .500, 5.40, 3.76
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Before this disappears into the ether some updated numbers on the news guys as Braves:

    Melancon 12.3% K rate, 1.2% BB rate, .458 BABIP, 0.90 FIP, 1.44 xFIP
    Martin 12.2%, 1.4%, .389, 2.92, 2.46
    Greene 9.8%, 2.5%, .500, 5.40, 3.76
    They are who we thought they were—sort of, with Melancon better than expected thus far, and Greene a lot worse by fip, but about right by xfip. Hopefully the final two games of the Dodgers series constitute signs of babip normalisation in progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    They are who we thought they were—sort of, with Melancon better than expected thus far, and Greene a lot worse by fip, but about right by xfip. Hopefully the final two games of the Dodgers series constitute signs of babip normalisation in progress.
    Unless you're Donnie Veal, BABIP always normalizes. The K and BB rates have really been outstanding from all three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    They are who we thought they were—sort of, with Melancon better than expected thus far, and Greene a lot worse by fip, but about right by xfip. Hopefully the final two games of the Dodgers series constitute signs of babip normalisation in progress.
    The K rates are considerably worse than their season and career points, but on the bright side they aren't walking people.

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