2018 Offseason And Targets

[clvclv]

But didn't AA get an additional 20 mil in meeting with Liberty executives that took him away from WMs? I never saw an "official" report on it, but it was discussed on this board.

Wasn't "discussed" - that was a joke.

[Heyward]

Putting aside the total dollar amount for a minute, what's everyone's thoughts on the contract length that Harper and Machado will get? After watching teams get burned by the Pujols and ARod deals, I just find it unlikely that anyone is going to get a 10 year deal anymore. I realize those two are younger than Pujols and ARod when they got their mega deals, but still. My guess is that they'll get shorter, high AAV ones

I could maybe see Bryce get 10, but of the teams interested, i think only Philly would go to 10 years because they have money to burn.

But i agree i think Manny or both get 7-8 years with opt outs after 4 years at a higher APY/AAV.

[Perfect Cell]

Even if we dont get Bryce, if we make his value go up and Phillies or Dodgers have to overspend then thats fine by me.

[clvclv]

lol...apparently on MLB Radio Frenchy said we're in on Harper

He actually didn't say we were "in on him" - it was one of those "we've all been told that they've got more money than they've spent, and from some reports I've read - significantly more money - so I'm not ready to rule it out" deals.

It wasn't a statement so much as wishful thinking in the event he signs a short deal with a high AAV for a couple years and goes back on the market before he turns 30.

He reads Bowman a lot.

[Carp]

Putting aside the total dollar amount for a minute, what's everyone's thoughts on the contract length that Harper and Machado will get? After watching teams get burned by the Pujols and ARod deals, I just find it unlikely that anyone is going to get a 10 year deal anymore. I realize those two are younger than Pujols and ARod when they got their mega deals, but still. My guess is that they'll get shorter, high AAV ones

I'll be surprised if Harper doesn't get 10 years. Pretty sure he already turned down 10/300 from the Nats.

Machado may be a different story. But I think he ultimately gets a 10 year deal as well. Likely from the Yankees. Both players will also have multiple buyouts.

[BedellBrave]

They meet every December.

Exactly!

[bravesfanforlife88]

I'll be surprised if Harper doesn't get 10 years. Pretty sure he already turned down 10/300 from the Nats.

Machado may be a different story. But I think he ultimately gets a 10 year deal as well. Likely from the Yankees. Both players will also have multiple buyouts.

Unless he decides to go shorter term at higher AAV...

Would you take 10 years at $300m or 5 years at $200m? The 5 year deal would be betting on himself to hit the market again with a chance to get another 4-5 year deal.

[cajunrevenge]

I know it sounds crazy and hard to believe but if Liberty Media has intentions of selling at all then Harper would be a really good selling point to a potential buyer. And like I said earlier, AA leaving the WM early to meet with Liberty execs in Colorado is not something I recall the past GMs doing.

New owners generally prefer less financial commitments on the books when they buy. Harper would subtract from the sale price not add to it.

[UNCBlue012]

Unless he decides to go shorter term at higher AAV...

Would you take 10 years at $300m or 5 years at $200m? The 5 year deal would be betting on himself to hit the market again with a chance to get another 4-5 year deal.

Personally, I take the latter. I know it sounds insane, but I prefer the opportunity to make more, especially when you already have $200 mill in the bag. I'd LOVE to sign him on a 4-5 year deal.

[Carp]

Unless he decides to go shorter term at higher AAV...

Would you take 10 years at $300m or 5 years at $200m? The 5 year deal would be betting on himself to hit the market again with a chance to get another 4-5 year deal.

10/300 without a doubt. As long as I have opt outs

[nsacpi]

10/300 without a doubt. As long as I have opt outs

I think he and Boras have already turned down something like that from the gnats.

[bravesfanforlife88]

I think he and Boras have already turned down something like that from the gnats.

I think he is a good bet to do well over a 4-5 year deal and re-enter the free agent market....so over 2 contracts he gets ~$400m which is what he wanted before

[Southcack77]

The irony is Frenchy is a Clemson fan and Harper is a South Carolina Gamecock fan, the latter of which could work in our favor.

His brother played at South Carolina.

If he'd had any intention of playing college ball he'd have ended up there as well.

[Enscheff]

This talk of Harper signing some short contract is completely naive.

Harper is going to get a long deal with 1-3 opt outs. He is going to get the chance to take a short deal by exercising an opt out, or stick with a huge long deal.

[zbhargrove]

Dude has a career .257 BABIP. It's not like that is due to jump way up.

Good lord do you know how averaging works? When you've only played 3 full seasons, one full season below .240 is going to really drag the average down. His other two full seasons were .276 and .261.... a significant difference.

[clvclv]

This talk of Harper signing some short contract is completely naive.

Harper is going to get a long deal with 1-3 opt outs. He is going to get the chance to take a short deal by exercising an opt out, or stick with a huge long deal.

Yeah. You people quit talking on a message board when there's SO much more to talk about. You realize Texas Instruments is about to come out with a new calculator, right?!?!?

[zbhargrove]

He actually didn't say we were "in on him" - it was one of those "we've all been told that they've got more money than they've spent, and from some reports I've read - significantly more money - so I'm not ready to rule it out" deals.

It wasn't a statement so much as wishful thinking in the event he signs a short deal with a high AAV for a couple years and goes back on the market before he turns 30.

He reads Bowman a lot.

What? His quote was “I don’t care what anyone says, we are still in the running for Bryce Harper. A lot of people don’t know this but he loves Atlanta."

But keep on doing the clv

[Enscheff]

Yeah. You people quit talking on a message board when there's SO much more to talk about. You realize Texas Instruments is about to come out with a new calculator, right?!?!?

So confidently dumb...

Does Pache and Wilson for Peralta and Bradley still excite you?

I can't wait to bring that one up over and over.

[Southcack77]

Yeah. You people quit talking on a message board when there's SO much more to talk about. You realize Texas Instruments is about to come out with a new calculator, right?!?!?

That sounds like something a villain would say in a teen movie. You'd need to cast it right to make it funny, but it could work.

[bravesfanforlife88]

This talk of Harper signing some short contract is completely naive.

Harper is going to get a long deal with 1-3 opt outs. He is going to get the chance to take a short deal by exercising an opt out, or stick with a huge long deal.

Wouldn't it make sense for the player for the shorter contract with the higher AAV though?

10 years / $300m with opt outs at 3/5/7 years....
5 years / $200m with opt out at 3 years

even if he were to opt out at 3 years, he still makes more money.