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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    has he claimed to have served in Vietnam?
    I can't support that but what I can reference are articles that said he did.

    Where would they get that information from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I can't support that but what I can reference are articles that said he did.

    Where would they get that information from?
    My understanding is he has said he is a Vietnam era vet. Which is not the same as someone who was in Vietnam. There are some reporters who have written he is a Vietnam Vet. That might just be sloppy writing. As far as I know he has not said he was ever in Vietham.

    My step-father was a Vietnam era vet with the air force. He never was in Vietnam but was posted in another SE Asian country.
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    Phillips is not a vet.

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    I think veteran is usually used for people who served in a war zone. So I'm not sure Phillips should be called a vet. He was in the Marines from 1972 to 1976 and was never deployed to Vietnam.

    But I would not consider it a crime or even misleading if he said he was a Vietnam era vet.
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    For the sake of VA benefits


    The VA considers anyone a veteran who served or was drafted.
    Regardless of where they were stationed.
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    I stand corrected about what constitutes being a veteran.

    Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged.

    I guess what I was thinking about would be called a war veteran. Someone who served in an active theater of war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I stand corrected about what constitutes being a veteran.

    Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged.

    I guess what I was thinking about would be called a war veteran. Someone who served in an active theater of war.
    When the media, and maybe Phillips but that is yet to be determined, states that he was a Vietnam vet what are they trying to add to the story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Phillips is not a vet.
    Agreed - But that didn't stop the typical propogandists to drum up a story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    When the media, and maybe Phillips but that is yet to be determined, states that he was a Vietnam vet what are they trying to add to the story?
    Well, part of the story that the Washington Post first ran (and I think other papers did this too) mentioned the fact that every year Phillips goes to Arlington with a peace pipe to honor Native Americans who served in the military. I suspect the details vary from story to story. But the first Washington Post article noted he was a Marine Corps veteran. Other articles might have said Vietnam Vet. Or Vietnam era vet. I don't think there is anything to hang anyone's hat on as far as this thing goes. I don't know anything about what kind of person Phillips is. And if someone finds a little dirt on him it wouldn't change my view about those boys behaving in a disrespectful manner toward him.

    Btw Phillips has expressed an interest in meeting with the boys from Covington. I hope it happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Agreed - But that didn't stop the typical propogandists to drum up a story.
    you and sturg are being petty about this
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    I'll add as a tangential observation that I've always found it incredible the way that Native Americans, black Americans and in WWII Japanese Americans were so eager to serve and prove their love of this country. It is really an incredible thing when you think about it.

    And I'll mention Muslim Americans such as Humayan Khan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Well, part of the story that the Washington Post first ran (and I think other papers did this too) mentioned the fact that every year Phillips goes to Arlington with a peace pipe to honor Native Americans who served in the military. I suspect the details vary from story to story. But the first Washington Post article noted he was a Marine Corps veteran. Other articles might have said Vietnam Vet. Or Vietnam era vet. I don't think there is anything to hang anyone's hat on as far as this thing goes. I don't know anything about what kind of person Phillips is. And if someone finds a little dirt on him it wouldn't change my view about those boys behaving in a disrespectful manner toward him.

    Btw Phillips has expressed an interest in meeting with the boys from Covington. I hope it happens.
    Sure - After he confronted them with cameras behind him banging a drum in their face. He is the true hero here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    you and sturg are being petty about this
    No - It was a coordinated effort by a deceitful left wing of this country. It needs to be called out when it perpetrated injustices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    No - It was a coordinated effort by a deceitful left wing of this country. It needs to be called out when it perpetrated injustices.
    i'm talking specifically about whether he should be called a vet or not
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    i'm talking specifically about whether he should be called a vet or not
    That was part of the media narrative shaped that subsequently brought death threats to the kids door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    That was part of the media narrative shaped that subsequently brought death threats to the kids door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Agreed - But that didn't stop the typical propogandists to drum up a story.
    i would give you credit for a pun...but i think you are too far down the rabbit hole to have intended one
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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    The tomahawk chop was a bad look (funny that I’m typing this on an Atlanta Braves forum), but most were not doing it. The chanting started before Phillips entered the situation to drown out the vile, racist insults coming from the BHI (Why the kids are being held to a higher standard than these adults is beyond me). You say the smirking kid was “clearly” confrontational. I don’t know what’s clear about it, but there’s also a moment in the video where he makes a gesture to one of the other boys arguing with another one of the natives to cut it out. What’s clearly confrontational is someone inserting himself in the situation by walking up to another person and chanting and banging a drum in his face. Phillips himself admits it’s confrontational (Post #18622)
    In the interest of trying to agree on an objective truth: there was chanting by some of the kids that was clearly directed at Phillips (apart from the organized chanting earlier), likewise the dancing around him and the chopping. I didn’t weigh in on this til this morning and I’ve made no other representations about it. That stuff, in my opinion, was inappropriate. But that stuff, as a matter of objective fact, happened, and that’s pretty much the sum of my comment about it. It contradicts the PR narrative, and some of what sturg and thethe have said. As for the one kid’s staredown (smirkdown?), I guess that is purely in the realm of the subjective. But we’re practically hearing that these kids were besieged and linked arms and started singing “We Shall Overcome.” That ain’t what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    deep breath deep breath
    No need - I am very calm. What I wrote was the truth.
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