REAL FOOTBALL Thread

[cajunrevenge]

That's funny, cause most of Grahams best games last year were games you either won, or lost by less than 7 points.

Graham in games we won 54 catches on 80 targets for 516 yards and 8 TDs in 8 games.
Graham in games we lost 31 catches on 42 targets for 373 yards and 2 TDs in 6 games.
Saints points per game with Graham 26
Saints points per game without Graham 24


When given the chance to play his backup Josh Hill was just as good 14 rec on 20 targets for 176 yards and 5 TDs. Dont be surprised when Hill and Graham have similar stats in 2015.

[chop2chip]

Dont be surprised when Hill and Graham have similar stats in 2015.

Drink the kool aid much?

[Heyward]

Graham missed 2 games and was limited in a few others. Despite that, he finished with 85 receptions and 10 TDs. 9 of those came in the red zone. Only Randall Cobb had more red zone TDs. How exactly is that "living off reputation?"

As long as he stays healthy, he will be fine and very productive. There isn't a better red zone threat in the NFL.

Gronk is.

[Heyward]

It's the Heyward effect.

If a star player leaves your team, then that means your team knew before everybody else that that player was garbage and that's why they traded him.

I liked the Saints deal (although I didn't like who they used the draft pick on). But to say Graham isn't an elite tight end and that he's living off reputation is asinine and bitter.

LOL i'm so in your head.

[cajunrevenge]

Drink the kool aid much?

of course I do.

[chop2chip]

LOL i'm so in your head.

Jason Heyward =/= you

[Heyward]

Jason Heyward =/= you

So i hit under .240 with an under 300 OBP?

[chop2chip]

So i hit under .240 with an under 300 OBP?

Huh?

[Carp]

Gronk is.

Not according to the stats. But, regardless both are elite red zone targets, so it isn't worth arguing.

[zitothebrave]

Gronk is.

Gronk isn't a better redzone threat than Graham. Graham has more range. Gronk is more of a force and more dangerous after the catch. And great in the Redzone. Graham in the redzone is like playing that kid in highschool who was 6'4 and actually athletic in a game of pickup football. All you can do is hit them as hard as possible and hope for the best.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Might remember Garo Yepremian, the Dolphins kicker with that infamous pass in the Super Bowl that completed their perfect season. Just saw that he has passed away at 70 years old.

[yeezus]

So i hit under .240 with an under 300 OBP?

your batting average on this site is WELL below .240.

[zitothebrave]

Bigger dumpster fire, Niners or Browns?

[thethe]

Bigger dumpster fire, Niners or Browns?

I wouldn't necessarily call them a dumpster fire. It will just be a rebuild year.

[zitothebrave]

I wouldn't necessarily call them a dumpster fire. It will just be a rebuild year.

They had so many retirees. Way more than normal. That reeks of players not respecting the coaches/organization and not willing to risk their livelyhood for it. Just reeks of bigger issues.

[thethe]

I suppose thats always possible but Willis has been banged up for a long time and Borland didn't even make the millions of dollars that he was in line to make.

Justin Smith has also dealt with injuries.

The 49ers ownership situation is awful but you are clearly reaching in the efforts to troll me. I see right through you Zeets.

[gilesfan]

Niners will have best rebuild of all time.

[zitothebrave]

I suppose thats always possible but Willis has been banged up for a long time and Borland didn't even make the millions of dollars that he was in line to make.

Justin Smith has also dealt with injuries.

The 49ers ownership situation is awful but you are clearly reaching in the efforts to troll me. I see right through you Zeets.

Borland retirign fits my description though. Samething with Willis. Borland retired because he didn't see the benefit in playing in the NFL vs. the risk. What changed betweehn when he was drafted last offseason and the end of this one? Could he maybe have gotten his bell rung a few times? Perhaps. But more likely than not, he didn't like the way the organization was going. Wouldn't be shocked if he stayed in shape and came back in a year or 2 to play for another team. Willis before last year played in 13 or more games every year, 4 of his 9 seasons he played in all 16 games, 7 of his 9 he played in 14 or more. He's hardly been banged up that bad and he was 29. Takeo Spikes played as a starter until he was 36, Ray Lewis played until he was 37, Urlacher played til 34. Urlacher would have played longer but the Bears FO treated him like ****.

Justin Smith I can believe retiring because his body couldn't handle it, I can see that. But the others are just way too fishy.

[thethe]

Niners will have best rebuild of all time.

One of the first things we've agreed on in a while.

But I suspect you are on board with me about Harper.

[thethe]

Borland retirign fits my description though. Samething with Willis. Borland retired because he didn't see the benefit in playing in the NFL vs. the risk. What changed betweehn when he was drafted last offseason and the end of this one? Could he maybe have gotten his bell rung a few times? Perhaps. But more likely than not, he didn't like the way the organization was going. Wouldn't be shocked if he stayed in shape and came back in a year or 2 to play for another team. Willis before last year played in 13 or more games every year, 4 of his 9 seasons he played in all 16 games, 7 of his 9 he played in 14 or more. He's hardly been banged up that bad and he was 29. Takeo Spikes played as a starter until he was 36, Ray Lewis played until he was 37, Urlacher played til 34. Urlacher would have played longer but the Bears FO treated him like ****.

Justin Smith I can believe retiring because his body couldn't handle it, I can see that. But the others are just way too fishy.

Thats your answer and stop trying to devise any other ridiculous notion. If anything, the defensive players loved Tomusula and would welcome him as the coach.

Willis is a different man. Incredibly religious and wants to give back. The man couldn't put weight on his foot last year becuase of all his recurring toe injuries.

Please, just stop.

The 49ers have provided plenty of reason to trash the oganization but this is just reaching in the worst way.