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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    To answer your question, I do think he assaulted Ford, I find the Ramirez accusation and its contemporaneous corroboration credible, and no,I do not think he ran rape rings.

    Why? First, because a victim statements are evidence, and any passing familiarity with the dynamic of unreported sexual assaults should be able to understand why something like this may stay buried for years. I found Blasey-Ford a credible witness, and Kavanaugh the opposite. His numerous evasions and lies about his habits were simply not credible, and there’s a good case to be made that he lied his ass off about his tenure in the Bush WH. So, all in all, not a guy whom I’m automatically going to take at his word, considering that we’re not talking about courtroom standards of evidence here.
    And what of Fords lifelong friend who stated that the story isn't credible? How do you weight that?
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    There is literally zero evidence to support Fords account other than her accusation, which you say counts as evidence.

    But you dont believe the gang rape story... I suppose bc we dont count the accusers accusation as evidence?

    How can we call accuser accounts as evidence when we have countless examples of accusers lying? There needs to be.... something, right?

    Having a hard time squaring that away, to be honest. But I appreciate the answer, at least

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    She was deemed to be a 'credible' accuser whatever that means.
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    Norman Ornstein
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    Anyone who thinks the Kavanaugh story ends with the vote

    tomorrow is very wrong. There will be more stories, more

    corroborating witnesses, more pieces by @RonanFarrow
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    At some point, we will see emails/texts among and between

    the FBI, the White House and the Senate


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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    There is literally zero evidence to support Fords account other than her accusation, which you say counts as evidence.

    But you dont believe the gang rape story... I suppose bc we dont count the accusers accusation as evidence?

    How can we call accuser accounts as evidence when we have countless examples of accusers lying? There needs to be.... something, right?

    Having a hard time squaring that away, to be honest. But I appreciate the answer, at least
    The accusers' testimony would be evidence. The problem is Kavanaugh's testimony is evidence too. So it's a matter of credibility.

    The problem here is we have no reason to believe anyone. Everyone has partisan motivations, monetary motivations, has zero credibility or is being used as a pawn.

    So what do we do? We tend to assign credibility based on whether it confirms our bias. If you don't like Kavanaugh's politics, you'll find his accusers more credible and if you do like his politics, you'll find his accusers less credible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Norman Ornstein
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    Anyone who thinks the Kavanaugh story ends with the vote

    tomorrow is very wrong. There will be more stories, more

    corroborating witnesses, more pieces by @RonanFarrow
    @JaneMayerNYer

    At some point, we will see emails/texts among and between

    the FBI, the White House and the Senate


    6:10 PM · Oct 5, 2018·
    12 years from now someone will get a big enough offer to lie

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    If he's innocent he should sue the NYT. If he's hiding embarrassing episodes from his past that paint him as less than, he won't want to sue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    If he's innocent he should sue the NYT. If he's hiding embarrassing episodes from his past that paint him as less than, he won't want to sue.
    Absurd - Maybe he doesn't want the story to be out to save his family from unnecessary shame due to reckless false accusations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    If he's innocent he should sue the NYT. If he's hiding embarrassing episodes from his past that paint him as less than, he won't want to sue.
    Lol yall have lost it

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    Just so happens that the person who resurfaced this allegation is a clinton lawyer because...why not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    To answer your question, I do think he assaulted Ford, I find the Ramirez accusation and its contemporaneous corroboration credible, and no,I do not think he ran rape rings.

    Why? First, because a victim statements are evidence, and any passing familiarity with the dynamic of unreported sexual assaults should be able to understand why something like this may stay buried for years. I found Blasey-Ford a credible witness, and Kavanaugh the opposite. His numerous evasions and lies about his habits were simply not credible, and there’s a good case to be made that he lied his ass off about his tenure in the Bush WH. So, all in all, not a guy whom I’m automatically going to take at his word, considering that we’re not talking about courtroom standards of evidence here.
    One question you failed to answer was why the NYT ommited that seemingly relevant detail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    If he's innocent he should sue the NYT. If he's hiding embarrassing episodes from his past that paint him as less than, he won't want to sue.
    He might also not want to sue because as a public figure he'd have to prove actual malice, an almost impossible burden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Absurd - Maybe he doesn't want the story to be out to save his family from unnecessary shame due to reckless false accusations.
    Don't you think it's a little late for that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    Lol both Alito and Roberts were appointed in 2005 and 2006, after GW Bush won the popular vote over Kerry by over 3M votes.

    But dont let that stop you for falling for fake news... yet again

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Cool. Glad Obama being a coke head should have disqualified him from Presidency.

    I love that the left is now assessing teenage actions for lifetime behavior
    I would love to see your evidence that Obama was ever a coke head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    I would love to see your evidence that Obama was ever a coke head.
    Lol

    Read his book.

    Maybe he should sue himself to clear his name

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    I'm going to go ahead and guess that this is going to be ignored. Nothing tells the truth like threatening a lifelong friend with a smear campaign if they don't tell a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Lol

    Read his book.

    Maybe he should sue himself to clear his name
    Trying coke a few times doesn't make you "a coke head".


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