Mets Signing Frazier while Andropolus fiddles

[UNCBlue012]

Don't worry guys, we're still getting Machado. Amiright?

[TheBravos]

If he was really determined to stay in NY....this still helps us. It brings the market even lower. The bad....we definitely aren’t getting rid of Nick now lol.

[nsacpi]

If he was really determined to stay in NY....this still helps us. It brings the market even lower. The bad....we definitely aren’t getting rid of Nick now lol.

we have to see if Frazier was a special case or not

[Carp]

@JonHeyman
Frazier, toms river, nj, product, made clear he wanted to be in NY. gets his wish crosstown with mets. @Ken_Rosenthal 1st
8:54 PM - Feb 5, 2018

Careful now, Enscheff doesn't believe you.

[Enscheff]

Careful now, Enscheff doesn't believe you.

Ahh yes, the famous home town discount. Never mind the fact that nobody else needs a 3b. That’s where he wanted to play!

Too bad the Braves never seem to get one of those discounts.

[Tapate50]

Ahh yes, the famous home town discount. Never mind the fact that nobody else needs a 3b. That’s where he wanted to play!

Too bad the Braves never seem to get one of those discounts.

I wanna see Posey exercise a NTC to come home once SF rebuilds.

[Enscheff]

I wanna see Posey exercise a NTC to come home once SF rebuilds.

He will probably play for damn near free since he loved the Braves so much as a kid!! Any money he is already owed will be given back to the Braves so they can sign another FA!!

[Tapate50]

He will probably play for damn near free since he loved the Braves so much as a kid!! Any money he is already owed will be given back to the Braves so they can sign another FA!!

Now we are getting somewhere. I heard Chipper was gonna foot the bill for one FA signing a year now that he's in the HOF. Bobby Cox is going to privately fund a IFA signing for us as well.

[Chico]

I assumed Todd would end up with the Yankees or Mets, but figured it’d be more like 2/24. That’s a great deal for them.

I can understand AA wanted to be patient, but I think he’s misreading the market on the Atlanta sports fan. I think attendance is going to take a big dip this year.

[thewupk]

I assumed Todd would end up with the Yankees or Mets, but figured it’d be more like 2/24. That’s a great deal for them.

I can understand AA wanted to be patient, but I think he’s misreading the market on the Atlanta sports fan. I think attendance is going to take a big dip this year.

It will since the new stadium smell will be gone. Only way to get fans is just to create a winner. He's betting on 2019 being that year. Even with a dip in attendance the Braves will have a lot of money to play with next year.

[JohnAdcox]

Too bad the Braves never seem to get one of those discounts.

Chipper?

[Enscheff]

I assumed Todd would end up with the Yankees or Mets, but figured it’d be more like 2/24. That’s a great deal for them.

I can understand AA wanted to be patient, but I think he’s misreading the market on the Atlanta sports fan. I think attendance is going to take a big dip this year.

There may have been some long term value to be gained by putting a better team on the field this season and enjoying an increase in attendance, and there were certainly moves that could have been made to make that happen. Trading for Ozuna and signing Frazier would have made the Braves a pretty clear playoff contender.

Instead, they decided to spend the bulk of their available payroll to unload Kemp, and they will likely see an attendance dip down to what they drew in the last 3 seasons at Turner (though I don't think it goes all the way down to 2 million, probably around 2.3 million), rather than a bump up to the ~2.8 million range. That's a swing in attendance of ~500k, which is what?...$50M in revenue?

Now they will be lucky to project 2.5 million in 2019, and payroll for THAT season will also suffer as a result.

Projections:
2018 - 2.3 million fans, $110M-$120M payroll, team should finish with around 80 wins, excitement grows for 2019
2019 - 2.5 million fans, $120M-$130M payroll (same as 2017), team should make a WC run, excitement grows for 2020
2020 - 2.5+ million fans, $130M+ payroll, team should make playoff appearance, excitement grows for 2021
2021 - 2.8 million fans, $140M+ payroll, team should be in the middle of their contention window, excitement has plateaued
2022+ - 2.5 million fans, $130M-$140M payroll, attendance drops in Atlanta even when the team is good, fans yawn

At no point will those payrolls be able to crack the Top 10 as sold to the fans when the new park opened. In fact, by then, they will still be below MLB average.

[Enscheff]

Chipper?

Are Chipper Jones' and Todd Frazier's situations at all similar?

[nsacpi]

It will since the new stadium smell will be gone. Only way to get fans is just to create a winner. He's betting on 2019 being that year. Even with a dip in attendance the Braves will have a lot of money to play with next year.

we could build another new stadium

[Jaw]

There may have been some long term value to be gained by putting a better team on the field this season and enjoying an increase in attendance, and there were certainly moves that could have been made to make that happen. Trading for Ozuna and signing Frazier would have made the Braves a pretty clear playoff contender.

Instead, they decided to spend the bulk of their available payroll to unload Kemp, and they will likely see an attendance dip down to what they drew in the last 3 seasons at Turner (though I don't think it goes all the way down to 2 million, probably around 2.3 million), rather than a bump up to the ~2.8 million range. That's a swing in attendance of ~500k, which is what?...$50M in revenue?

Now they will be lucky to project 2.5 million in 2019, and payroll for THAT season will also suffer as a result.

Projections:
2018 - 2.3 million fans, $110M-$120M payroll, team should finish with around 80 wins, excitement grows for 2019
2019 - 2.5 million fans, $120M-$130M payroll (same as 2017), team should make a WC run, excitement grows for 2020
2020 - 2.5+ million fans, $130M+ payroll, team should make playoff appearance, excitement grows for 2021
2021 - 2.8 million fans, $140M+ payroll, team should be in the middle of their contention window, excitement has plateaued
2022+ - 2.5 million fans, $130M-$140M payroll, attendance drops in Atlanta even when the team is good, fans yawn

At no point will those payrolls be able to crack the Top 10 as sold to the fans when the new park opened. In fact, by then, they will still be below MLB average.

I think the continued success of The Battery will help revenue both by increasing attendance and generating revenue outside of attendance. Unfortunately, we still have a terrible TV contract that is really holding us back. I also think the current TV value boom will likely bust prior to us being able to capitalize on it, and that basically leads to a future that resembles Pittsburgh or Cincinnati. Payroll has fallen from top 3 to bottom third in 20 years. I miss Ted. And TBS.

[thethe]

How much progress was made at the battery?

[Enscheff]

I think the continued success of The Battery will help revenue both by increasing attendance and generating revenue outside of attendance. Unfortunately, we still have a terrible TV contract that is really holding us back. I also think the current TV value boom will likely bust prior to us being able to capitalize on it, and that basically leads to a future that resembles Pittsburgh or Cincinnati. Payroll has fallen from top 3 to bottom third in 20 years. I miss Ted. And TBS.

While I disagree that the Battery is some money making machine that will make any real difference, I agree with the part in bold.

Very unfortunate for the Braves. They are going to be at a severe competitive disadvantage for at least the next 20 years.

[Carp]

Ahh yes, the famous home town discount. Never mind the fact that nobody else needs a 3b. That’s where he wanted to play!

Too bad the Braves never seem to get one of those discounts.

**Multiple sources reporting something.


Enscheff: Lies! I'm never wrong!

[thewupk]

we could build another new stadium

In about 19 years

[Super]

i mean, it's pretty clear Frazier took less money to stay in NY. How much less, and how it affected the Braves, we don't know.