Add up the money they will be paying Heyward, Lester and Darvish compared to the projected production of that trio in 2-3 years, then get back to me about how good they have set themselves up.Originally Posted by Carp
Then add in how expensive the rest of their core is going to be.
50PoundHead (02-11-2018)
Wonder if we could swing Mac on the cheap.
He would be a downgrade at this point based on what we have.
Natural Immunity Croc
Again, Lester, Quintana and Zobrist will be gone by that time. That's over 50 million in payroll space freed up. They don't have to resign any core players until after 2020 at the earliest I believe, and that's Rizzo if he's still playing well enough . And they can backload contracts to accommodate the final years of Darvish and Heyward.
They are fine financially.
He would be replacing Suzuki, may be play some 1b to give Freeman some rest at times, and play DH for 20. Not a downgrade in any way.
Suzuki salary is 3.5. McCann is 17. I’ll take Suzuki
Freshmaker (02-11-2018)
Mac is not that good anymore. It makes zero sense to mess with a catching group that was arguably the best in baseball last year.
Natural Immunity Croc
Yeah I don’t believe the Stros would be interested in Remo if they felt good about Gattis /Mac combo. I am fine with what we have.
Coppy
How does gattis rate framing? Didn’t I read here that Realmuto sucks in that area?
Price is the key here. I imagine we will be able to bring Mac back on the cheap when his current deal expires and I would not be opposed to that.
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2020. Surely Mac will be at the end of his rope by then
Once our Flower has bloomed its life cycle is a few years at the very least. Look for a AJax/Flowers platoon starting in mid 2019.
Natural Immunity Croc
Again, the assumption is that Houston would kick in money. And the Yankees are already kicking in 5.5 million.
He is still infinitely better than Suzuki at every facet of the game.
Gotcha
Maybe a few years ago. This is far from a fact at this point in time and considering we aren't winning a world series in 2018 that move is absolutely pointless. They just signed Suzuki because they obviously think he can help the team win. There is basically a 0% chance that any discussions involving Mac are happening right now for 2018.
Natural Immunity Croc
IDK, if you look at their team the young core is all generally under control for 4 more years (or more). Bryant and Russell are both Boras guys so they will likely continue to go the arby route. Baez and Schwarber might be extended or could go the arby route. One, maybe two of those guys will get traded at some point. My guess would be Baez or Russell and Schwarber gets traded. If they get controllable young talent with those guys then they are likely OK. They've got Contreras, Happ and Almora and have signed Rizzo and Quintana (courtesy of the WS) to nice extensions.
Lester comes off the books in 20 or 21 depending on the option which makes Darvish's 21, 22, 23 seasons less risky from a payroll limitation standpoint. Zobrist is gone after 19 and Chatwood after 20. Morrow after 19 or 20. Quintana after 18, 19 or 20 depending on options (probably 20). Cishek 19, Strop 18 or 19. They've got Hendricks under 3 more years of control if they want it.
Their biggest glaring mistake has been the Heyward mistake (which I said was a horrible contract from the beginning). Unless he opts out, and he won't, they are on the hook for him through 2023 at about $22M per, then they get the joy of paying him his bonus in $5M installments from 2024-27. If anything hurts the Cubs run, it likely won't be the FA contracts they've given pitching but the horrible contract they gave a mediocre offensive RF whose stock in trade was all world defense and base running.
What they should do is trade Schwarber and Baez for some good young minor league talent that will refill their farm and then be diligent about not raiding the farm over the next 2-3 years. They should also go big on the international FA market while they can.
The biggest thing about their SP is unless Quintana steps up to become a dominant ACE, then they don't match up well with the Dodgers or Nats (or even Arizona right now).
yep. That's the advantage of money.
Salary is definatley key here. The Yankees are paying 5.5 million of Mac's salary. How much would the Astros pitch in for it to be worth it for either side?
Come on. Do we really expect Suzuki to repeat his 2017 year? From 2012-2016 he had a 656 OPS. I'd bet anthing that's the type of offensive production we would get from Suzuki in 2018. Suzuki is also a worse pitch framer than Mac. Mac isn't the player he once was but he's still a solid backup and would be much better than Suzuk on this team. You are right that in the end it doesn't matter who the backup catcher is
jpx7 (02-12-2018)
how much value do baez and schwarber have right now tho? baez has mostly been a lot of hype and a good WS, but he's about a 2-2.5 win player it seems. he could still improve of course, but his approach is atrocious. schwarber is coming off a rough season. it doesn't seem he's actually awful in the OF, but maybe he is. he should prob just be a DH somewhere. i think his value will rebound.
thank god the braves aren't on the hook for heyward at $20M+ per year. what a colossal mistake that would have been.
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