Well, technically the difference is less than one game. So even using WAR as a hard fact, you can't be certain that calling Dansby up made us win an extra game. Did it probably? Yes. Do we know that for sure? Of course not.Originally Posted by chop2chip
Also don't have any idea how the other SS would have performed. Like I said even E-bar went ballistic for a short period in the line up that was collectively hot. We could have called Johan up and he could have played better than Swanson. We could have called Swanson up and sat JT for a start. Let FF have two days off. It is insane that people are trying to paint the Swanson call up as the direct reason we are picking 5 and not 2.
Direct reason? No. There were a lot of factors that led to the Braves picking from 2 to 5. Was Swanson one of them? I would say if anyone is being honest with themselves then yes he improved the team the last month of the season. Would I rather have the #2 pick instead of the #5 pick? Yes I would. I would argue most people will be wanting that this summer as well when the joy of playing somewhat well last September has long faded. I would also want to have Swanson's age 29 season guaranteed to be with the Braves as well. We all want and say he will be extended if the Braves want to. However we also know that it doesn't always work out that way.
IMO the cons far outweigh the pros for bringing up Swanson when we did.
I'd have liked to gotten 2 over 5, but I enjoyed watching the braves play well down the stretch. Finishing strong gives me much more hope headed into this season even if it's a false hope.
50PoundHead (03-31-2017)
The 2nd pick would be cool, but the 5th pick is fine. People are reacting too much to a couple draft slots in the MLB draft. Yes, it is better to pick 2nd than 5th. How much better? Ultimately it's pretty negligible.
One thing we also have to remember is that even with Dansby up, it is pretty hard to predict that team winning 20 of their last 30 games. I don't think the FO believed we could play our way down to 5.
Last edited by smootness; 03-31-2017 at 07:41 AM.
Absolutely agree. There. Not lets get this thread back on track and talk about the Soroka promotion to AA.
Probably just another genius move by the genius himself. Gonna cost Carolina a championship.
Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me...you can't get fooled again
Swanson obviously helped the team get better after he was called up, but his presence didn't cause Kemp to have an OPS > 1.000 and Markakis have an OPS > .800 in September. Players want to win and after looking so terrible early in the season, there was probably extra incentive for this set of Braves to play hard to the end. These guys are professionals and they do have pride.
As for Soroka, I remember the minor eruption after he was drafted and labelled a "reach" by so many. I don't know how he'll turn out, but I tend to ignore lists at all the draft-related publications other than to get a basic idea about a prospect.
That 2015 draft looks pretty good right now.
Allard
Soroka
Riley
Minter
Weigel
With still some potential contributions from Herbert/Morales/Graham
Natural Immunity Croc
We are rushing him. Hold him back till hes 23 so we can suck for five more years and still have him controlled til 30.
Natural Immunity Croc
cajunrevenge (03-31-2017)
Yes it does. The Pache/Cruz signings look great as well.
We'll have to wait and see on the 2016 draft, but the early returns there were good; then you have Maitan, Severino and the rest of that group. That could be a 2-year cycle that looks fantastic in a few years.
Braves always drafted great throughout their run in the 90s and early 2000s as well. That will be the true test. The drafting has sucked for a long time.
I never liked the strategy of taking low-ceiling college guys early, but it does help when you're picking near the top of the draft.
As we (hopefully) start to win more, scouting will be crucial to sustain the farm system.
Last edited by smootness; 03-31-2017 at 08:40 AM.
That's probably the strongest part of the organziation. Professional scouts that know what they are doing and are actually respected by those in charge.
The biggest difference in picking 2 or 5 isn't so much the player. It's the 2+ million in draft bonus pool that's given up.
In the end things like a guaranteed 29 year old season and a greater chance of picking higher in this years draft, no matter how small they are, give the Braves a better chance of being a better team in the future. Swanson coming up Sept and the team playing well does not. Teams like the Braves have to leverage everything they can to making their team better.
Yes, I don't think the braves envisioned a lot of the hitters catching fire and the team playing as well as they did. But they didn't do anything to try and slow that train down either. It's short sighted.
That last paragraph is ludicrous man. That's a Cleveland Indians vs Rachel Phelps type scenario.
Ivermectin Man
Is it? They let Snit manage every game like it was game 7 of the World Series.
I don't know about you but I'd much rather Nick Senzel than Ian Anderson
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