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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    I dont see you refuting his claim. Other than calling me names

    Check the 14 point description of Fascism provide in another thread
    I would say every box gets checked.
    Please note it was penned in 2003-04.
    Before Trump and before the world knew about Bush-Cheney.

    Let me know if you need help
    Between the two parties, which is the one who wants to take government control of everything?

    But sure.

    EVERYONE IS NAZI!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    I dont see you refuting his claim.
    Because it’s not a claim worth refuting. It’s an internet troll tweeting nonsense not backed by any sort of argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    Because it’s not a claim worth refuting. It’s an internet troll tweeting nonsense not backed by any sort of argument.
    Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.

    The 14 characteristics are:

    Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

    Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

    Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

    Supremacy of the Military
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

    Rampant Sexism
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

    Controlled Mass Media
    Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

    Obsession with National Security
    Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

    Religion and Government are Intertwined
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

    Corporate Power is Protected
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

    Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

    Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

    Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

    Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

    Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.




    Copyright © 2003 Free Inquiry magazine
    Reprinted for Fair Use Only
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    I’m trying to google “political scientist dr Lawrence Britt” and I’m not finding anything other than that list. What’s his background? What institution is he affiliated with? Is he actually a political scientist and are his views in line with most accepted research in this field? As far as I can tell, this could be another one of your twitter trolls who slapped a “Dr” before a name to give legitimacy to a self serving list.
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    Refute his points.


    https://secularhumanism.org/2003/03/...urence-w-britt


    studying history since the mid 60's this has pretty much been the working definition of Fascism.
    If you have another --- I'll be glad to look
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Refute his points.


    https://secularhumanism.org/2003/03/...urence-w-britt


    studying history since the mid 60's this has pretty much been the working definition.
    If you have another --- I'll be glad to look
    Now he’s an international business person and a writer, not a political scientist with a doctorate in the field?

    I’m not going to waste my time trying to refute a nonsensical list put together by a writer with an agenda who is being fraudulently passed off as a doctor of political science.

    BYW, I’m not sure how many times there are in this nation’s history that 9, 10, or more of those listed items haven’t existed in some form or another. Somehow we’ve managed to not become a fascist, totalitarian nation. But keep working this angle...it’s been so successful in the past.
    Last edited by acesfull86; 08-12-2019 at 10:02 AM.

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    refute his points -- focus -- stay on topic


    It makes no difference if Happy the Clown has the byline.
    Content my friend, content

    how'd the poet put it ?
    "you dont need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    It makes no difference if Happy the Clown has the byline.
    Of course it does.

    ”Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common.”

    Oh really? He did? Where are the peer-reviewed results of his “study?” How do I know he didn’t make this all up just like when he claimed to be a political scientist?

    We’ve already seen that the first three words (political scientist Dr.) of this article you’ve been proudly posting repeatedly are BS, yet we’re suppossed to take the rest of it seriously ...

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    Stay ignorant.
    But please next time ((AGConservative)) opines, without footnotes or bibliography please question his qualifications .
    I wont hold my breath.
    Like I said, this has been a working definition of Fascism since the close of WWII.
    If you have another, show your math.

    I mistakenly assumed you were familiar with the subjects.

    My bad

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    "When they cant win on policy they argue the politics.
    When they cant win politics they attack the personal"

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    Lol

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    And this is how weeind up where we are.
    Simple definitions ca not be agreed upon. One side posits an idea and the other merely fismmiss' it without offering an alternative.
    I invited you twice to offer an alternative and 3 times to refute the points.

    But hey, let's argue,about the writer.
    Who in fact listed his sources and provided footnotes
    Pretty ****ing lame.

    We can mark you down irrelevant and a bad fsith actor

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    Of the two parties, which is the one that openly campaigns on more government control, and for citizens to give up their individual liberty?

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    The party that fights to deny a woman her legal choice, same party that,supports rogue policing, the same party that ignores asylum treaties--- should I go on ?

    The party that uses emminent domain the same way you znd I brush our teeth, the party that allows Monsanto to poisen without warning --- more ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Stay ignorant.
    But please next time ((AGConservative)) opines, without footnotes or bibliography please question his qualifications .
    I wont hold my breath.
    Like I said, this has been a working definition of Fascism since the close of WWII.
    If you have another, show your math.

    I mistakenly assumed you were familiar with the subjects.

    My bad
    If this is the “working definition,” then why the need to pass off the author as an expert in the field with the credentials to go along with it?

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    As opposed to the party that proposed 2% tax on wealth over $50M per year to correct our deficient infrastructure and social network due to years of selfish neglect

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    And this is how weeind up where we are.
    Simple definitions ca not be agreed upon. One side posits an idea and the other merely fismmiss' it without offering an alternative.
    I invited you twice to offer an alternative and 3 times to refute the points.

    But hey, let's argue,about the writer.
    Who in fact listed his sources and provided footnotes
    Pretty ****ing lame.

    We can mark you down irrelevant and a bad fsith actor

    BTW...what are we supposed to be refuting?

    1) The actual content of the list...that these conditions actually do not lead to fascism?
    Or
    2) That America isn’t a representation of the list?

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    We ?
    You gotta mouse in your pocket ?

    1) yes

    2) draw your own conclusions

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    Again, if you have another definifion of fascism -- like I said I'd be more than happy to discuss

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    We ?
    You gotta mouse in your pocket ?

    1) yes

    2) draw your own conclusions
    I’m not the only one here

    1) There hasn’t been any evidence provided that there is a causal link between these elements and Fascism. It’s just a list without context written by someone lying about his credentials

    2) Looks like most of the elements have been present here since the beginning of the country, and we’re not a fascist country yet. Especially during FDR when we were ....fighting Fascism.

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