The Trump Presidency

[Julio3000]

Just have to mention that the sum of the President’s remarks so far is that things would’ve been better if there had been guns inside the house of worship during a baby’s naming ceremony.

[57Brave]

I don't like that kind of rhetoric either. Thoughts and prayer sentiment - totally meaningless whether you give lip service to not liking rhetoric

I'm just saying it goes both ways. No, it really doesn't -never has and never will. Read Southern Strategy 1968 and take it forward


Conservatives are constantly smeared as racist, sexist homophobes, often by mainstream figures. Well !!!

Anti white racism is pretty much allowed and sometimes encouraged on the left. What is anti white racism ?


Same is true with anti male sexism. Same question, what is anti male sexism? Am I guilty of that ?



Look at the recent hire by the New York Times. Julio spoke to that


There's also a lot of anti christian hate out there. A "War On Christmas "


I mean, a lot of people on this board pretty much accepted that Kavanaugh was a rape gang leader, Who ? People wanted a thorough investigation


largely because of the way white men are portrayed in leftist circles. How are men portrayed and what on earth are "leftist circles"

Trump's base is largely made up of folks fighting against that bigotry. Bigotry like voter suppression and gun violence in churches / synagogues. Banning religions and broad brush stigmatizing Latin Americans as rapist and drug dealers

I have been railing for years or at least since the inception of Fox about the notion of "both sides are guilty" as an equalizer

[57Brave]

For the record :

Farrakahn is 85
Jackson 77
Sharpton 64
Clinton 72

All have suffered ill health in recent years


Farrakhan and Jackson are old Franklin family friends dating back to the Reverend Franklin in the 1960's
a friend of Aretha and Clinton a former President and friend of Aretha

Prior to this picture a plot was being hatched to overthrow white men.
But, busted

[nsacpi]

I think it’s a good time to focus on the Caravan of Doom, since it was apparently an obsession of the Pittsburgh synagogue murderer. Where could he possibly have gotten the idea that it was being funded by scary Jews? Like, was there a national media outlet and members of Congress pushing that idea?

the twitter feed of Congressman Matt Gaetz might be a good place to start...Lou Dobbs too

Soros has become a very convenient code word

[weso1]

Um, the Proud Boys who were arrested after the recent street violence in NYC are ****ing neo-Nazis. There are scads of public-domain photos of them throwing white power salutes and pictures of the same guys in Charlottesville. There are straight-up neo-Nazis and skinheads yukking it up together. They’re all the same folks. Homey, they’re Nazis. I don’t know why this is so hard for you to accept. The purpose of that NYC event was for your bae Gavin to re-enact the murder of a Japanese socialist leader by an ultra-nationalist. That’s totally cool and non-inflammatory, huh,

Why are you trying to give these people cover? Why are you apologizing for them?

For my part, I’ll say **** Louis Farrakhan and anyone who supports him. But, the only thing I’ve seen NOI people doing in my community is selling bean pies and newspapers. I don’t care for them or their ideology, but I haven’t seen them attacking people in the streets. Nor am I parsing words about who their hate touches.

Well, that's why I don't like the Proud Boys, because they don't have any filter in regards to who gets in. They kick guys out when they find out who they are, but nobody really checks before they let them in. That and the violence thing. They need to have a system to keep the loons out. You really just have to announce you're a proud boy to be a proud boy. I just think it's crazy how it went from something so silly to what it is now. Gavin pretty much screwed himself for being to loosey goosey with it. I think I like the idea of the proud boys more than I do the execution, which I think has failed miserably and gotten Gavin in some hot water.

Look, I get it with Gavin. He is very rude and not a very nice guy but I think he's pretty damn funny and I honestly don't think he's a racist. The talk he gave that night was just silly I thought. I actually thought your description of him from a while ago was pretty accurate in regards to how he steps up to the line but doesn't cross. I think that not crossing the line is everything.

[Julio3000]

Weso, I’m not trying to come at you personally because we’ve shared this space for a long time and you seem like a decent dude. But I’ve got to question your judgement in saying that somehow stepping up to the line without stepping over it is somehow a thing to be celebrated. Like, you’re ok if you stay outside a certain point but people who act in your name are skins and neo-Nazis.

I further struggle with you having a problem with, say, Antifa taking a “punch a Nazi” position when the guy you’re explicitly praising and defending was holding an event that culminated in the reinactment of murdering a socialist leader. Well, ok, you say that it’s “silly.” But where does that leave you with regard to referencing the danger of all of the boogeymen that you’ve mentioned? Like, can you find an analog here? Or is it just people tweeting “LOL white men are canceled”?

[weso1]

I think a lot of comedians and political commentators step up to the line and don't cross it. I don't think I said it should be celebrated, I just think that's the important marker. I mean it is called the line for a reason. I think Gavin blew it by not having a system to vet his guys.

I think your quasi defense of antifa's punch a nazi position is far worse than any position I've taken on Gavin. I would never support punch a commie, even if some guy held a silly event where a capitalist was assassinated. This ANTIFA stuff clearly makes things worse and they don't differentiate. Ben Shapiro is a nazi to these guys. I also think ANTIFA just further instigates far right groups. It's counterproductive.

I can see that white racism, anti male sexism and anti christian rhetoric isn't a big deal to you. I just disagree with that. I think it hurts the country and helps make it impossible for everyone to live together harmoniously.

Look, here's the last thing I'll say on this. I think we need to stop thinking the worst of those who we disagree with. Give people a chance to clarify when they make a mistake. And call out hateful speech only when the evidence is there and the person has had a chance to clarify their statements. I think it would be a much better world if we did that.

[57Brave]

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A neo-Nazi murdered several Jews at a Pittsburgh synagogue

A white supremacist murdered 2 black people in Kentucky

A Republican sent bombs to Trump critics

That was all this week

This is radical right-wing terrorism

We must take this threat seriously


Remembering 15 years ago parallel events in Bagdhad

I think the word we used was "terrorism"

Even if we get PC and not call them Jews, how about "globalists" . Wasn't there recently
a longtime poster on this very board raising the issue of "globalists" ?
Black people - Democrats, media .

The connection I see to mainstream Republicans is these "terrorists" are their base.
Take these people away and we are arguing over the impeachment of HRC for using an unsecured cell phone.

My long winded point is we don't get the Trump tax cuts without the "terrorists" we won't have ACA gutted without the "terrorists" we won't watch the dismantling of The New Deal and The Great Society without these "terrorists" we don't get the abolition of Planned Parenthood without the "terrorists", we don't have this unparalleled systemic dismantling of regulation benefiting only the moneyed interests
In other words, without the "terrorists" and without the rhetoric of demonetization Republicans cant get elected on the national level.
You can look up the 5 districts the Trump campaign targeted

To my understanding Weso and others are ends justify the means - ers. For lack of a better term
Because this has been the point since 1933
You can look that up too

[Julio3000]

I think a lot of comedians and political commentators step up to the line and don't cross it. I don't think I said it should be celebrated, I just think that's the important marker. I mean it is called the line for a reason. I think Gavin blew it by not having a system to vet his guys.

I think your quasi defense of antifa's punch a nazi position is far worse than any position I've taken on Gavin. I would never support punch a commie, even if some guy held a silly event where a capitalist was assassinated. This ANTIFA stuff clearly makes things worse and they don't differentiate. Ben Shapiro is a nazi to these guys. I also think ANTIFA just further instigates far right groups. It's counterproductive.

I can see that white racism, anti male sexism and anti christian rhetoric isn't a big deal to you. I just disagree with that. I think it hurts the country and helps make it impossible for everyone to live together harmoniously.

Look, here's the last thing I'll say on this. I think we need to stop thinking the worst of those who we disagree with. Give people a chance to clarify when they make a mistake. And call out hateful speech only when the evidence is there and the person has had a chance to clarify their statements. I think it would be a much better world if we did that.

To repeat, and clarify: you’re taking the position that “punch a Nazi” is dangerous speech but re-enacting the murder of a socialist leader is merely a silly mistake by a person with his heart in the right place.

I don’t think Ben Shapiro is a Nazi, but he was certainly a favorite of mosque-shooter Alexander Bissonette and, apparently, of Cesar Sayoc.

I’ve provided several examples of right-wing extremists who have committed murder. I’ve got more, if you like. What are your “anti-white, anti-male, anti-Christian” strawmen hurting except possibly your feelings?

[nsacpi]

Good day for Trump to name check Bill Kristol as one of his "loser" antagonists

remember "Soros" is funding the caravan

subtle subtle

shall we give this a name

naw...he's got Jewish grandchildren

[Julio3000]

In for a penny, in for a pound, I guess. The balls to say this tonight...

“Soros-occupied State Department” sounds suspiciously like “Zionist-Occupied Government” which is a common neo-Nazi trope, exactly the same that the Pittsburgh shooter trafficked in.

His POV, by the way, was that Trump was only pretending to be a racist. That’s worth discussion on its own—the internal debate amongst racists whether Trump is legitimately one of them or just a false-flag racist controlled by the Jews. I’m reminded of Andrew Gillum’s debate line against DeSantis the other night: I’m not saying you’re racist, I’m saying that racists think you’re racist.

Seriously, y’all. It’s like a triple-decker racist paranoiac sundae—immigrants, leftists, shadowy Jewish financiers.

Is it worth this? Really?

[Julio3000]

Good day for Trump to name check Bill Kristol as one of his "loser" antagonists

remember "Soros" is funding the caravan

subtle subtle

shall we give this a name

naw...he's got Jewish grandchildren

Interesting timing.

[weso1]

No, I mean one was doing a rude but not serious joke and the other was to be taken literally. And everyone right of Bernie is a nazi. If Antifa weren't being serious and wasn't actually violent and destructive then I wouldn't have a problem if they made a rude joke. But they weren't making a joke. They literally meant it.

I don't blame Rachel Maddow for the congressional shooting.

I provided examples earlier. You had the one I think that was in Tennessee. We've also seen significant increases in hate crimes towards whites and police and an increase in the male suicide rate. Just something to consider. So, it's certainly not a strawman. But that's actually only one of my concerns. I think increased racism against the groups I described will only lead to increased division and make nonwhite racism even worse. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but we'll see.

[Julio3000]

Again, to highlight the caravan, which was apparently an obsession of the Pittsburgh murderer—why was this even something that was on our national radar? How was this even something that was in the public consciousness?

Cue the Lou Dobbs clip from tonight.

[Julio3000]

No, I mean one was doing a rude but not serious joke and the other was to be taken literally. And everyone right of Bernie is a nazi. If Antifa weren't being serious and wasn't actually violent and destructive then I wouldn't have a problem if they made a rude joke. But they weren't making a joke. They literally meant it.

I don't blame Rachel Maddow for the congressional shooting.

I provided examples earlier. You had the one I think that was in Tennessee. We've also seen significant increases in hate crimes towards whites and police and an increase in the male suicide rate. Just something to consider. So, it's certainly not a strawman. But that's actually only one of my concerns. I think increased racism against the groups I described will only lead to increased division and make nonwhite racism even worse. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but we'll see.

I must have missed your examples. You said something about a shooting inspired by the SPLC...that’s all I remember. But the offer still stands to compare. I’d welcome the chance, really.

So an increase in the male suicide rate is attributable to what, exactly?

As for hate crimes, let’s also both be accountable here and post sources.

My point of view has been that “leftist violence” recently is largely a bs talking point, while right-wing violence has a tangible body count. If I’m wrong about this, please correct me. But recently, it seems like there’s been an equivalence drawn between yelling in restaurants and campus demonstrations and, yannow, actual violence.

[Julio3000]

No, I mean one was doing a rude but not serious joke and the other was to be taken literally. And everyone right of Bernie is a nazi. If Antifa weren't being serious and wasn't actually violent and destructive then I wouldn't have a problem if they made a rude joke. But they weren't making a joke. They literally meant it.

So cosplaying the murder of of a socialist leader is a big ol’ rude joke which we shouldn’t take seriously?

Are you saying that Gavin MacInnes didn’t literally mean it when offering a higher “degree” of Proud Boy membership to people who’d directly fought with Antifa, etc? Was that a joke, too?

I’m just saying that you can’t throw stones about incivilty and violence while supporting and co-signing this.

Big picture, I don’t think that either Proud Boys or Antifa are much of an issue. But you can’t in good faith support the existence of one and decry the existence of the other. You can either take the “plague on both houses” approach, as many do, or you can pick a side. Personally, I’m against the side that’s lining up with skinheads and neo-Nazis.

How about you? If your boys make common cause with Nazis, how are you going to say that you support them, but not the Nazis?

[weso1]

Are you saying that Gavin MacInnes didn’t literally mean it when offering a higher “degree” of Proud Boy membership to people who’d directly fought with Antifa, etc? Was that a joke, too?

Now that I agree with. Something that I don't like at all. I did mention I didn't like the violence of the Proud Boys. That was something he said that was/is wrong.

[Runnin]

My sentiments exactly!

[nsacpi]

remember when the great leader pretended not to know who David Duke was...that was a hint

[nsacpi]

"They're committing genocide to my people." Robert Bowers to SWAT officer after being arrested.