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    Watching the Mets and the Mariners front offices trying to construct a fair megadeal is hilarious to watch.

    Its like watching two Charles Barkleys playing golf against each other.

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    One name we haven't mentioned is CarGo. FanGraphs projects him to get a one-year $7 million deal, and to produce 1.3 WAR. Obviously not a Pederson-level platoon partner for Duvall, but kinda wonder what that pairing might look like. Definitely not someone being talked much about. Would imagine he might be a fit in Cleveland as well since they're looking to cut costs and a cheap OF option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    One name we haven't mentioned is CarGo. FanGraphs projects him to get a one-year $7 million deal, and to produce 1.3 WAR. Obviously not a Pederson-level platoon partner for Duvall, but kinda wonder what that pairing might look like. Definitely not someone being talked much about. Would imagine he might be a fit in Cleveland as well since they're looking to cut costs and a cheap OF option.
    Considering we're already going with a platoon at C, and having Ender, Swanson in there everyday, we need a better outfielder to have a solid 5 starters in Acuna Albies Donaldson Freeman and everyday LF'er. Braves the money/resources to do better than a platoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I was told Freeman would be dumped. Weird.
    people are so adamantly against him and it’s hilarious and stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    people are so adamantly against him and it’s hilarious and stupid
    Only reason i was is because we have three lefties in Biddle, Venters and Minter. Not sure we're gonna carry 4 in the pen unless we dont keep Biddle or Minter. But Freeman's ok if he isnt used everyday and has time off.

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    Gomes deal is Jeffrey Rodriguez, Daniel Johnson and a PTBNL for Gomes. Not a bad deal for Washington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    Watching the Mets and the Mariners front offices trying to construct a fair megadeal is hilarious to watch.

    Its like watching two Charles Barkleys playing golf against each other.
    At first it seems like the M's win the deal, then the Mets, then more reports come out the M's win.

    Kelenic has superstar potential, he could be a top 20-30 prospect this time next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    This went from being horrific for Seattle, to horrific for New York, back to being horrific for Seattle, now its finally starting to settle in as horrific for New York... I think.
    Yeah. The reporting on this has been stupid. Whoever reported 60m ... smh. That didn’t begin to make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Gomes deal is Jeffrey Rodriguez, Daniel Johnson and a PTBNL for Gomes. Not a bad deal for Washington.
    At that price I’d love for the braves to be in.

    Aa seems to be hording for the mega deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    people are so adamantly against him and it’s hilarious and stupid
    I'm not adamantly against him. He's not a bad pitcher and I've stated that many times. However, I just don't think he's currently among our 7 best relievers, and certainly not if acquire that late inning reliever AA keeps mentioning. He has no options remaining either and has reverse splits. I would just rather run out the best 25 man team out there that we can.

    I will admit, holding on to him til the end of ST is the smart play for when someone inevitably gets hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    people are so adamantly against him and it’s hilarious and stupid
    Sam Freeman's would be an excellent reliever if he had any clue how to hit the zone consistently. But control has been his problem his entire career and there's little chance he suddenly figures it out at 31.

    A 5+ K/9 is brutal for a middle reliever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Sam Freeman's would be an excellent reliever if he had any clue how to hit the zone consistently. But control has been his problem his entire career and there's little chance he suddenly figures it out at 31.

    A 5+ K/9 is brutal for a middle reliever.
    he's our fourth lefty in the pen...behind Minty Hippo, Venters and Biddle. I think he will play more of a multi inning role in 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    At that price I’d love for the braves to be in.

    Aa seems to be hording for the mega deal
    the price for McCann was better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    At that price I’d love for the braves to be in.

    Aa seems to be hording for the mega deal
    Thoppy trading for Thor, Bauer and Bumgarner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Considering we're already going with a platoon at C, and having Ender, Swanson in there everyday, we need a better outfielder to have a solid 5 starters in Acuna Albies Donaldson Freeman and everyday LF'er. Braves the money/resources to do better than a platoon.
    You need the best 25 players you can put on the roster. "5 solid starters" doesn't make the 2019 team any better if you still have the same *hitty pen and bench.

    Donaldson over Markakis should be a huge upgrade to the lineup, even if you have to use a platoon in LF. Camargo provides a huge bench upgrade. Trading for or signing a somewhat less-expensive option to platoon in LF to make that a 2+ WAR position and adding a strong pen piece goes a long way to making the 2019 team much stronger than the 2018 team.

    You don't HAVE to spend at the top of the market for an imperfect answer like Pollack/Brantley/McCutchen to make LF a 2+ WAR position any more than you HAVE to spend at the top of the RP market (Kimbrel/Britton/whomever) to help the pen get a lot better either. If the salary projections are right, trading for Peralta or Pederson (or even signing CarGo) and adding Familia or Soria to the pen is likely to be a better use of $15-ish million, especially since they plan for Camargo to get some of his ABs in the OF - he's not going to approach a Gonzalez-like 450 ABs if you don't, because there won't be enough playing time to take advantage of his bat if he's only going to give Donaldson and Ozzie the occasional breather since you definitely don't want to sit them against lefties. If push came to shove you could imagine Camargo as the right-handed side of the LF platoon, with Duvall relegated to a defensive replacement/pinch-hitting role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    At that price I’d love for the braves to be in.

    Aa seems to be hording for the mega deal
    Or he blew his wad on JD. It’s probably a combination of both though, and some fairly significant trade is coming.

    However, he passed on getting at least fair value in a Paxton deal, so if he really wanted that “frontline starter” he could already have one.

    Of course, the simplest remaining course for the offseason is to sign the cheapest of Brantley/Cutch, and then bargain shop for the bench and possibly the BP. That’s probably the course I would prefer they take and just hold onto all the young talent until the deadline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Or he blew his wad on JD. It’s probably a combination of both though, and some fairly significant trade is coming.

    However, he passed on getting at least fair value in a Paxton deal, so if he really wanted that “frontline starter” he could already have one.

    Of course, the simplest remaining course for the offseason is to sign the cheapest of Brantley/Cutch, and then bargain shop for the bench and possibly the BP. That’s probably the course I would prefer they take and just hold onto all the young talent until the deadline.
    I’d agree.

    We are getting a glut on the 40 man of ok players. We need some more studs.

    I recall an interview with aa where he was talking about having to keep prospects around from smaller deals so you can use them in larger deals. Referenced some big deals in Toronto.

    I’ve said for months he’s going to do a mega deal and I’m probably going to hate it when I see the cost.

    I still think we are going to do a big deal for someone we know will be 3 war and could be 5 war.

    There are so many solid corner of guys that you can get a good one for cheap. I think that is the efficient move. I just think he’s going to go for two rungs up from ok.

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    He's not the prototypical corner guy (although neither are the other available options right now), and we've talked about him a little before, but if you're going to do a "mega-deal", doesn't Merrifield fit just about as well as anyone? Now that you've got Donaldson to add to Acuna and Freddie, are we really that desperate for a corner OF that will hit 20+ bombs? Plugging him in in left gives you three guys capable of playing CF as your everyday outfield.

    He'd be expensive to acquire, sure, but not as expensive as Haniger, and he's not the type of player you worry about extending at this point in his career - you let him play out the years of control you have left over him and then just let him walk if he's not interested in going year-to-year. With Nicky Lopez knocking on the door and Mondesi beginning to look like he finally may have turned the corner late last year, you have to thing DMGM would be drooling all over himself with a chance to add Riley and more or less have their infield situation settled for the next 5-6 years. Without looking at the charts, surely Merrifield shouldn't cost you much more than Riley and Waters, should he? Maybe a lesser arm included?

    I get that some folks aren't particularly keen on playing Johan at SS, but a Merrifield, Albies, Acuna, Freeman, Donaldson, Camargo, Flow/Mac, Inciarte lineup would be an absolute handful for other teams to deal with, and it would allow you to keep Pache and all the top arms to see if one or two reach their ceilings or package with Dansby for a front-line guy. Sign Gonzalez to be the super-sub instead of making Camargo a "cheaper Gonzalez".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Yeah. The reporting on this has been stupid. Whoever reported 60m ... smh. That didn’t begin to make sense.
    It could be 60 million just not from Cano's contract.

    28 mil for Bruce, 8 mil for Swarzak and the rest is Cano=60 mil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    It could be 60 million just not from Cano's contract.

    28 mil for Bruce, 8 mil for Swarzak and the rest is Cano=60 mil.
    right but the report was 60m and Bruce and Swarzak.

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