The Baseball America prospect lists have begun. The full article is subscription-only, but the top 10 list is not:
1. Hector Olivera, 3B
2. Kolby Allard, LHP
3. Ozzie Albies, SS
4. Touki Toussaint, RHP
5. Austin Riley, 3B
6. Max Fried, LHP
7. Mallex Smith, OF
8. Mike Soroka, RHP
9. Braxton Davidson, OF
10. Lucas Sims, RHP
It's an interesting list. Set Olivera aside for a second, as he's more an artifact of the somewhat quirky way BA handles veteran imports, and there are a few takeaways:
1. Allard's already the best prospect in the system after six (admittedly dominant) innings. That's ambitious.
2. The 2015 draft certainly looks solid, based on very, very, very early returns
3. Toussaint at 4 and Fried at 6 is obviously a reflection of the talent both those guys possess, but having one guy who hasn't pitched in about a year and a half and another who's painfully young and has gotten his head beaten in so far that high is a cause for some wariness.
4. How is "Mallex" pronounced? Like the bad guy in Knights of the Old Republic, or like "Alex" with an "M" at the front?
Last edited by MadduxFanII; 10-26-2015 at 09:03 AM.
[QUOTE=MadduxFanII;274264]It's an interesting list. Set Olivera aside for a second, as he's more an artifact of the somewhat quirky way BA handles veteran imports, and there are a few takeaways:
1. Allard's already the best prospect in the system after six (admittedly dominant) innings. That's ambitious.
2. The 2015 draft certainly looks solid, based on very, very, very early returns
3. Toussaint at 4 and Fried at 6 is obviously a reflection of the talent both those guys possess, but having one guy who hasn't pitched in about a year and a half and another who's painfully young and has gotten his head beaten in so far that high is a cause for some wariness.
4. How is "Mallex" pronounced? Like the bad guy in Knights of the Old Republic, or like "Alex" with an "M" at the front?[/QUOTE]
I think they pronounce it Maalox because he gives the pitchers indigestion.
bravesfanMatt (10-26-2015), JohnAdcox (10-26-2015), jpx7 (10-28-2015), zedsdead (10-26-2015)
Nice list, but like Carol King sand, for the most part, "So Far Away."
It's always difficult to project on minor league late-season numbers, but Sims appeared to pitch really well after his promotion to Mississippi. If his development arc continues upward, I could see him debuting in 2016.
[QUOTE=50PoundHead;274271]Originally Posted by MadduxFanII
It's an interesting list. Set Olivera aside for a second, as he's more an artifact of the somewhat quirky way BA handles veteran imports, and there are a few takeaways:
1. Allard's already the best prospect in the system after six (admittedly dominant) innings. That's ambitious.
2. The 2015 draft certainly looks solid, based on very, very, very early returns
3. Toussaint at 4 and Fried at 6 is obviously a reflection of the talent both those guys possess, but having one guy who hasn't pitched in about a year and a half and another who's painfully young and has gotten his head beaten in so far that high is a cause for some wariness.
4. How is "Mallex" pronounced? Like the bad guy in Knights of the Old Republic, or like "Alex" with an "M" at the front?[/QUOTE]
I think they pronounce it Maalox because he gives the pitchers indigestion.
I only thanked you because of the Meme..
#facepalm
50PoundHead (10-26-2015)
Quite an interesting Projected 2019 Lineup...
C- Bethancourt
1B- Freeman
2B- Peterson
SS- Simba
3B- Olivera
LF- Riley
CF- Smith
RF- Davidson
SP- Miller
SP- Teheran
SP- Wisler
SP- Minor
SP- Sims
CL- Simmons
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
Minor here in 2019? Allard will be ready by then.
I think he could be here late 2017 early 2018 at the pace he is on
PACE?!? hasn't he only pitched like 3 innings or something small like that? Now that being said, I see no chance Minor is here in 2017 even. I think Minor is pitching to be traded at deadline this year next
I agree Matt. He's not a long term option at all. I could see Allard being ready sometime at the end of 2018 early 2019.
you are probably right Huddy. I think Allard can be ready by 19 if nothing else. Just in time to replace Miller or Julio after we trade one of them for a bounty of players.
If Miller has a good year next year I'd extend him. We need a solid piece like him at the top of the rotation to lead the other guys. I'm thinking they trade Julio this offseason for offense.
Exciting crop of young guys there. Near future still uncertain, but long term outlooks definitely tending upwards. 7 of the 10 listed have joined the organization within the last year.
Me personally, I truly believe Julio is a budding star. We saw this in 2014 and then in glimpse last year and most notably in the second half. I just think at the cost of current starting pitchers compared to Teheran's future salaries he will be an absolute steal. I could really see our 2019 rotation being this (only including arms currently in our system and not potential free agents):
1. Julio Teheran
2. Max Fried
3. Lucas Sims/Tyrell Jenkins
4. Kolby Allard
5. Matt Wisler
"Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon"
50PoundHead (10-27-2015)
I said a while back that Lucas Sims is my dark horse for the 5th starters job.
I've seen too many pitchers with glenoid labrum injuries that simply do not come back from that injury to believe that Minor will be back. If he does come back and is like his former self, great! He has beaten the odds. It's not something I would bank on based on my experience in treating these injuries.
As far as trading one of the pitchers, if you want to weaken the team, then by all means do it. The team has two of the top pitchers in the league that are under 25 years of age. This is like saying the Mets should trade Syndergard or Harvey for hitting in the off season. If the playoffs have shown us anything, it is that great pitching still beats great hitting. You find another way of addressing the offense. Find a Kendrys Morales type that you take a chance on and bring him on board. Find another young guy like Cameron Maybin who hasn't put it all together and give him a chance. You don't have to trade one of your two best starters for an offensive fetish. I understand the rationale behind the idea that you target one of the older free agent pitchers and trade one of the younger ones for offense. I just don't agree with it.
blueagleace1 (10-28-2015)
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7...-hunt-octobers
The Cubs love Teheran, and the Braves love Soler. I wouldn't be shocked to see a swap involving those two guys this offseason.
The Braves would fill out the rotation with FA fill ins until the young guys are ready.
It would be quite a turnaround for this FO to go for a guy like Soler with a 30% strikeout rate.
jpx7 (10-28-2015)
Would love to see that deal, providing that the Braves would then go after one of the premium pitchers in free agency.
I don't know a lot about Soler, but his 29% K rate at the MLB level comes over 500 total PAs. His K rate in over 600 MiLB PAs is a much better 17%.
I'm not saying I think he is the answer for RF, and that it would be wise to trade Teheran for him, but I've read there is mutual interest. He is a young (23) OFer, controllable through 2020, and is a potential impact RHed bat to pair with Freeman. If his K rate stabilizes in the 20%-25% range, I see no reason he couldn't be exactly that for the Braves.
A top of the order containing some combination of Mallex, Markakis, Olivera, Freeman and Soler suddenly has the makings of a respectable offense.
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