Legal/scotus thread

[sturg33]

No.

So what birth control does then? Since that was your original point?

[57Brave]

Brett Kavanaugh Refers To Birth Control As 'Abortion-Inducing Drugs' At Confirmation Hearing

https://www.google.com/search?q=kava...nt=firefox-b-1


not Julio - not I

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speaking for myself - I don't find birth control "abortion inducing"
and think it misogynistic a Supreme Court nominee would use those terms .

[sturg33]

Brett Kavanaugh Refers To Birth Control As 'Abortion-Inducing Drugs' At Confirmation Hearing

https://www.google.com/search?q=kava...nt=firefox-b-1


not Julio - not I

Goodness do you ever ready anything?

He said they would have been required to fill out a form that would "make them complicit in the provision of the abortion-inducing drugs" that they objected to.

He's very clearly talking about drugs like Plan B.

[57Brave]

Science Does Not Support Claims That Contraceptives Are ‘Abortion-Inducing’

By Pam Belluck

Sept. 7, 2018

During his Supreme Court confirmation hearing on Thursday, Judge Brett Kavanaugh referred to some forms of birth control as “abortion-inducing drugs.” The phrase is a characterization that some anti-abortion religious groups use, but it is not supported by scientific evidence.

Judge Kavanaugh used the phrase while answering questions by Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, about a 2015 dissent he wrote in a case brought by a Catholic organization over a requirement in the federal health care law that employers include contraception coverage in employee health plans. The group, Priests for Life, argued that the provision violated the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, despite an exception allowing employers with religious objections to arrange for a separate insurance company to provide contraceptive coverage.

“They said filling out the form would make them complicit in the provision of the abortion-inducing drugs that they were, as a religious matter, objecting to,” Judge Kavanaugh testified, describing the group’s position.

It was not clear exactly which methods Judge Kavanaugh was referring to when he used the phrase “abortion-inducing drugs.”

Most common types of contraception — birth control pills, condoms, hormonal intrauterine devices and implants — prevent conception by keeping eggs from becoming fertilized.

The description “abortion-inducing” is most often used by anti-abortion religious groups to characterize methods they believe can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. These groups typically say that such methods are morning-after pills and copper intrauterine devices.

There are two main reasons this belief does not comport with scientific evidence. First, the medical definition of pregnancy is that it begins after a fertilized egg is implanted in the uterus, not before. That is because many, probably most, fertilized eggs naturally fail to implant in the uterus on their own.

Second, a growing body of research strongly indicates that morning-after pills, such as Plan B and Ella, do not prevent implantation. Instead, the pills, if taken up to five days after unprotected sex, work to stop fertilization from occurring. They do this by delaying ovulation, the release of eggs from the ovaries that occurs before eggs are fertilized, or by thickening cervical mucus so that sperm have trouble swimming and reaching the egg to fertilize it.

A New York Times investigation of the science behind morning-after pills in 2012 prompted the National Institutes of Health website to delete passages suggesting emergency contraceptive pills could disrupt implantation. A spokeswoman for the Food and Drug Administration said at the time that “emerging data” suggested that morning-after pills do not inhibit implantation

The other method of emergency contraception, the copper IUD, does appear to be able to block implantation of a fertilized egg, scientists say. (It is different from the more popular hormonal IUDs, such as the common brand Mirena, which are extremely effective at preventing fertilization in the first place and have no effect on implantation.)

The copper IUD is also highly effective at preventing fertilization and, unlike hormonal IUDs, can do so even if inserted within five days after unprotected sex. In the small number of cases where the copper IUD does not prevent fertilization, scientists say it might be able to disrupt the process by which the fertilized egg would implant in the uterus.

Because it has to be inserted by a health provider within a few days after unprotected sex, however, the copper IUD is a much less common method of emergency contraception than morning-after pills

[57Brave]

Isn't about time you ask, "what propaganda"

[sturg33]

You are unhinged.

You have decided that the guy believes all birth control is abortion due to a comment he made about religious folks asking for an exemption from certain abortion inducing drugs. Clearly - CLEARLY - he is referring to drugs like Plan B.

But you are unhinged so you are going to run with your narrative. Somehow Ron Paul is considered a crackpot but the mainstream left is considered sane.

As always, there are legitimate things to criticize but y'all latch on to the stupidest and craziest things you can find to make your point.

[57Brave]

Clearly - CLEARLY - he is referring to drugs like Plan B.

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There are two main reasons this belief does not comport with scientific evidence.

First, the medical definition of pregnancy is that it begins after a fertilized egg is implanted in the uterus, not before.

That is because many, probably most, fertilized eggs naturally fail to implant in the uterus on their own.

Second, a growing body of research strongly indicates that morning-after pills,

such as Plan B and Ella, do not prevent implantation. Instead, the pills, if taken

up to five days after unprotected sex, work to stop fertilization from occurring.

They do this by delaying ovulation, the release of eggs from the ovaries that occurs

before eggs are fertilized, or by thickening cervical mucus so that sperm have trouble

swimming and reaching the egg to fertilize it.



...............
from the Gray Lady.
excuse me,
the Failing Gray Lady

[57Brave]

Maddow Blog
‏Verified account @MaddowBlog

It's starting to feel like the Trump Russia investigation and the Kavanaugh

nomination are not competing stories anymore but the same story.

[sturg33]

"a growing body of research strongly indicates"

=

Kavernaugh think condoms are abortions and is going to outlaw all birth control

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Unhinged

[sturg33]

Maddow Blog
‏Verified account @MaddowBlog

It's starting to feel like the Trump Russia investigation and the Kavanaugh

nomination are not competing stories anymore but the same story.

A bunch of leftists screaming like children about things with no evidence?

Agreed

[Julio3000]

So what birth control does then? Since that was your original point?

Huh?

[Julio3000]

"a growing body of research strongly indicates"

=

Kavernaugh think condoms are abortions and is going to outlaw all birth control

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Unhinged

Let’s try to break this down honestly. You suggested that the claim that Kavanaugh equated birth control to abortion was outlandish. So, yeah, while the construction could be more precise—Kavanaugh equated one form of birth control with abortion—you went double-or-nothing with “Plan B is abortion.” It is not. Can we agree on that?

[weso1]

Let’s try to break this down honestly. You suggested that the claim that Kavanaugh equated birth control to abortion was outlandish. So, yeah, while the construction could be more precise—Kavanaugh equated one form of birth control with abortion—you went double-or-nothing with “Plan B is abortion.” It is not. Can we agree on that?

I just wanted to point out that Kavanaugh was quoting the plaintiff's position in that case. His dissent include quotation marks for that particular phrasing. There's no evidence that he was personally equating certain types of birth control with abortion. The edited clip going around the internet today does not include the words "They said" before kavanaugh goes onto use the words he quoted from the plaintiffs in his dissent.

This is a pretty damn intentionally dishonest edited clip released by Harris here. Much worse than anything we know Kavanaugh ever did.

[weso1]

Kavanaugh’s fuzziness in past testimony (and that’s charitably put) is troubling, and that’s compounded by the lack of transparency about his time in the WH. That alone should be enough to preclude an automatic yes vote. Not gonna happen that way, though.

I think these issues would be fairly resolved if there weren't so many automatic no votes based strictly on party affiliation. There's ample evidence to suggest that Kavanaugh deserves better than an automatic no vote.

[57Brave]

I think these issues would be fairly resolved if there weren't so many automatic no votes based strictly on party affiliation. There's ample evidence to suggest that Kavanaugh deserves better than an automatic no vote.

Merrick Garland ?

[57Brave]

I just wanted to point out that Kavanaugh was quoting the plaintiff's position in that case. His dissent include quotation marks for that particular phrasing. There's no evidence that he was personally equating certain types of birth control with abortion. The edited clip going around the internet today does not include the words "They said" before kavanaugh goes onto use the words he quoted from the plaintiffs in his dissent.

This is a pretty damn intentionally dishonest edited clip released by Harris here. Much worse than anything we know Kavanaugh ever did.

Supposing you the benefit of the doubt
why did he lie and withhold emails ?.


Isn't this the tactic used by , as we see playing out in real time , people trying to hide something ?
which takes us to, what is/was he trying to hide ?

[57Brave]

then there is this:

“He could have said they disagreed with providing contraception because they are morally opposed to that, and that would have been accurate. But instead he chose to refer to it as ‘abortion-inducing drugs,’” Sackin continued. “That is a coded phrase anti-abortion groups use all the time and it signals more about his worldview, which is why we are concerned.”

“It’s incredulous to pretend that this is someone who does not have some sort of philosophy on reproductive health,” Sackin said.

[57Brave]

[sturg33]

Let’s try to break this down honestly. You suggested that the claim that Kavanaugh equated birth control to abortion was outlandish. So, yeah, while the construction could be more precise—Kavanaugh equated one form of birth control with abortion—you went double-or-nothing with “Plan B is abortion.” It is not. Can we agree on that?

goodness man. As detailed here in the Washington Post at the time, Hobby Lobby's objections were specifically aimed at "morning after" drugs that prevented the pregnancy from continuing after contraception. Kavanaugh's words were accurate. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b69a5e8b0861




And the issue is whether employers have to be forced to pay for them... not whether they should be illegal.

[sturg33]

Read the whole thread if you'd like to learn more how shameless Harris is