Discussion of Braves 2018 Offseason plans

[nsacpi]

Looks like he's got two arbitration eligible years left. Sure he's be a nice addition to the staff, but I'm not sure we should give up anything of significant value at this point for 2 years of him, 1 of which likely will be in a year we aren't competitive.

Apparently the Yankees-Pirates talks failed to gain traction due to the Pirates ask.

[clvclv]

How would you guys feel about us making a run at Gerrit Cole? I feel like he'd be a huge addition. Aside from last year, he's been pretty fantastic.

Their ask from the Yankees is Torres - guess what their ask from us would be.

2 years of control isn't enough even if he wouldn't cost Acuna, and he's definitely not likely to work out an extension at this point.

[Chico]

AAA bench is important. It is a long season. Depth is a big thing in the Dodgers organization. AA seems to have absorbed a lot during his time there.

Yeah. He's seeming to make a concerted effort to build the AAA squad to provide depth and possible options. Here's a look at a possible projected roster

Catcher- Tony Sanzhez, Kade Scivicque
1B/3B Carlos Franco, Rio Ruiz, Adonis Garcia
2B/3B Travis Demeritte
2B/SS- Christian Colon, Luis Valuenzela, Tyler Smith
IF/OF- Danny Santana
OF- Ronald Acuna, Preston Tucker, Dustin Peterson, Jared James, Xavier Avery, Michael Reed

RH Relievers- Akeel Morris, Chase Whitley, Caleb Dirks, Jason Hursh, Matt Wisler, Wes Parsons,
LH Relievers Rex Brothers, Jacob Lindgren, Jesse Biddle, Phillip Pfeifer

Starters- Max Fried, Mike Soroka, Kolby Allard, Lucas Sims, Aaron Blair

[Chico]

Their ask from the Yankees is Torres - guess what their ask from us would be.

2 years of control isn't enough even if he wouldn't cost Acuna, and he's definitely not likely to work out an extension at this point.

Yeah, no way you trade for a Boras client with only 2 years left.

[nsacpi]

Yeah. He's seeming to make a concerted effort to build the AAA squad to provide depth and possible options. Here's a look at a possible projected roster

Catcher- Tony Sanzhez, Kade Scivicque
1B/3B Carlos Franco, Rio Ruiz, Adonis Garcia
2B/3B Travis Demeritte
2B/SS- Christian Colon, Luis Valuenzela, Tyler Smith
IF/OF- Danny Santana
OF- Ronald Acuna, Preston Tucker, Dustin Peterson, Jared James, Xavier Avery, Michael Reed

RH Relievers- Akeel Morris, Chase Whitley, Caleb Dirks, Jason Hursh, Matt Wisler, Wes Parsons,
LH Relievers Rex Brothers, Jacob Lindgren, Jesse Biddle, Phillip Pfeifer

Starters- Max Fried, Mike Soroka, Kolby Allard, Lucas Sims, Aaron Blair

With the way rules about the DL have been tweaked in recent years, there is much more use made of players in the upper minors.

[Heyward]

Their ask from the Yankees is Torres - guess what their ask from us would be.

2 years of control isn't enough even if he wouldn't cost Acuna, and he's definitely not likely to work out an extension at this point.

My guess if something like Chance Adams, Andjuar, and Clint Frazier is what it will take. They arent dealing Torres.

[nsacpi]

My guess if something like Chance Adams, Andjuar, and Clint Frazier is what it will take. They arent dealing Torres.

The combined value of Adams and Frazier is pretty close to what Torres is worth. I think that would be a good deal for the Pirates. If it is Adams, Andujar and Frazier that's a tremendous deal for the Pirates.

[Chico]

If a deal is made for Cole I'd guess Andujar is part of the deal and they're going to get Moose or Frazier

[Enscheff]

Their ask from the Yankees is Torres - guess what their ask from us would be.

2 years of control isn't enough even if he wouldn't cost Acuna, and he's definitely not likely to work out an extension at this point.

Bowden from XM, your main source of baseball info, is now saying the Yankees are close to getting Cole without giving up Torres. You’ll probably hear him tall about it on your next jaunt between trailer park open houses.

There will always be a Cole available in trade. The Braves should not worry about acquiring one until they are ready to benefit from assuming the risk inherent in pitchers. Stroman will be available at the deadline. Archer will likely be available next offseason or deadline. The Braves can pounce then if they are competitive

[Enscheff]

The combined value of Adams and Frazier is pretty close to what Torres is worth. I think that would be a good deal for the Pirates. If it is Adams, Andujar and Frazier that's a tremendous deal for the Pirates.

I think you and Chico are on it.

Expect Cutch to go next. He is a realistic target for the Braves next offseason.

[BeanieAntics]

If the deal was either just Torres or Andujar, Adams, and Frazier I would take the latter deal every day of the week.

[nsacpi]

If the deal was either just Torres or Andujar, Adams, and Frazier I would take the latter deal every day of the week.

me too

[Enscheff]

If the deal was either just Torres or Andujar, Adams, and Frazier I would take the latter deal every day of the week.

Cole probably carries about $50M-$55M in surplus value over the next 2 years.

Yankees prospects are probably valued roughly as:

Torres (FV 60+): $60M+
Frazier (FV 55, stock may have dipped a bit): ~$35M
Andujar (FV 45+): $15M+
Adams (FV 45+): $15M
Montgomery (FV 45): $13M

Torres should be and is a nonstarter. Frazier plus one of Andujar/Adams is likely fair.

If I'm the Pirates I don't trade Cole without getting Frazier, Andujar plus another nearly ready-MLB piece, likely Jordan Montgomery to slide right into the rotation spot Cole just vacated. A package of Frazier, Andujar and Adams/Montgomery would be a clear win.

The Yankees are so good they can probably afford to consolidate 3 average-ish players into a 3-4 win SP, even if it means losing the trade in terms of overall value.

[Knucksie]

Yeah. He's seeming to make a concerted effort to build the AAA squad to provide depth and possible options. Here's a look at a possible projected roster

Catcher- Tony Sanzhez, Kade Scivicque
1B/3B Carlos Franco, Rio Ruiz, Adonis Garcia
2B/3B Travis Demeritte
2B/SS- Christian Colon, Luis Valuenzela, Tyler Smith
IF/OF- Danny Santana
OF- Ronald Acuna, Preston Tucker, Dustin Peterson, Jared James, Xavier Avery, Michael Reed

RH Relievers- Akeel Morris, Chase Whitley, Caleb Dirks, Jason Hursh, Matt Wisler, Wes Parsons,
LH Relievers Rex Brothers, Jacob Lindgren, Jesse Biddle, Phillip Pfeifer

Starters- Max Fried, Mike Soroka, Kolby Allard, Lucas Sims, Aaron Blair

Add in a retread or two.

[UNCBlue012]

https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status/944326133650206721

[Enscheff]

The Braves are really expanding my knowledge of obscure AAAA players.

[Tapate50]

There have been reports that the Marlins aren't desperate to move Castro, but it wouldn't really make any sense for them to keep him and they're apparently looking to tack his salary on to potential deals. Castro is coming off a nice .300/.338/.545 showing in 2017 and he'll turn just 28 in March, so it shouldn't be that difficult to unload him.

Could he play 3b?

I get the impression Miami is just absolutely desperate to move anyone making above league min

[UNCBlue012]

Just an FYI virtually every team in baseball has called the Marlins on Yelich. 20+ at the moment. I would not read into any team as a favorite, and it is still unclear what their plan is.

In my opinion, the Dodgers are at the front of the line for Yelich. LA was in on Ozuna and made a strong play for him. Like when STL pivoted from Stanton to Ozuna, could play out same way here for LA.

[msstate7]

Just an FYI virtually every team in baseball has called the Marlins on Yelich. 20+ at the moment. I would not read into any team as a favorite, and it is still unclear what their plan is.

In my opinion, the Dodgers are at the front of the line for Yelich. LA was in on Ozuna and made a strong play for him. Like when STL pivoted from Stanton to Ozuna, could play out same way here for LA.

If the dodgers get yelich, we should go after Pederson

[rico43]

If the dodgers get yelich, we should go after Pederson

Pederson would like be in that trade. Still feel that if the Braves want Yelich, they have enough pitching to win the auction.