What are these other SP moves that you think he should be making?Originally Posted by emk418
What are these other SP moves that you think he should be making?
Signing Gavin Floyd for small money doesn't prevent us from doing anything. If we sign him, the rotation status quo stays the same: Minor-Teheran-Medlen-Beachy-Wood going into spring training, with Hale fighting for time. If we like that prospect, we'll stay with it. If we don't, we can still make a move. You sign Floyd on the idea that, when he's healthy, there's a pretty solid chance someone in that rotation will be hurt or struggling. Nothing about a Gavin Floyd signing means that Samardzija or any other pitcher is out of the question.
I want Samardzija and maybe I'm wrong but I think this takes us out of the running.
I also think we should be making a serious offer for Samardzija. I don't think us getting Floyd has much effect on how the front office views things with respect to Samardzija.
Beachy and Floyd are both injury risks. Beachy could very easily never play baseball again.
I agree totally. Depending on the dollars involved and structure of the Floyd deal, I'd go even further and say that this might make a Samardzija deal even a little more likely. If the deal contains a 2015 option, you could argue that this might make Wren even more likely to include Wood in a Samardzija trade if that's what it takes to seal it.
Rotation options as is (assuming Floyd deal):
Medlen
Minor
Teheran
Beachy
Wood
Floyd
Hale
Assuming a Samardzija trade involving Wood:
Samardzija
Minor
Medlen
Teheran
Beachy
Floyd
Graham
Hale
If Floyd's deal contains an option, it certainly makes including Wood much easier to swallow. Then your 2015 rotation options include more than enough quality arms to reduce any need to rush a Sims or Cabrera. It would also give you three opportunities to trade Floyd for controllable assets if he proves healthy (2014 deadline, 2014 offseason, 2015 deadline).
Last edited by clvclv; 12-15-2013 at 01:04 PM.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
I hope so
Who says this option would be there in January. This is an option for depth. Something our rotation has needed a lot the past two seasons. We have a really good 1-5 imo with Wood and Beachy at the back end. But the chances of them staying healthy all year is pretty slim. There aren't any SPs available that are clear upgrades over what we have unless we want to blow the farm for Price which isn't going to happen.
We need rotational depth. Floyd is that. Can't really complain about this move at all. Braves cannot have guys like Cameron Loe and Freddy Garcia having a big role in the stretch run.
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Really don't know why or how people can complain about this move. He's really good depth.
... until terms are finalized/released. It's not outside of the realm of possibility that Floyd could get over $5MM base, with incentives. Not a particularly crazy number, but I guarantee people will still flip out.
Btw if our rotation is Medlen, Minor, Beachy, Teheran and Wood that would be an all-home grown rotation. I can't think of the last time that happened. We always had a guy like Leibrandt who came from another organization.
If this is a depth move and were still in the market for a Samrdzija type then it's a good move. But if this is it for the rotatin it's questionable.
@jcrasnick: Gavin Floyd has passed physical and agreed to deal with #braves. He'll make $4M base and can earn $4.5M more in incentives.
[ http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/412617227074953216 ]
@jcrasnick: There's no club option for 2015 in Floyd's deal with #braves. Contract includes performance and roster bonuses.
[ http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/412617888357285888 ]
Last edited by Hawk; 12-16-2013 at 11:19 AM.
I hope with that kind of money he's ready in May, because if he isn't that's a lot of $ for a guy who can't pitch half the year.
More than I would have liked, but, not bad if he is healthy and can produce to career norms or better.
$4M-$8.5M is not a depth move for a team with payroll constraints like the Braves. If Floyd is Hudson's replacement in the rotation, and Gamel is the power off the bench, then these are not good enough additions. That $8.5M figure is probably the money Wren had slated to resign Hudson to a 1 year deal.
It looks like Wren is not going to fix 2B, and has made bargain bin reclamation project additions (Floyd, EOF/Venters, Gamel) to fill the other areas of need (rotation depth, BP arms, bench bat). This is shaping up to be a very poor offseason where Wren doesn't adequately fill any of the needs this team has.
Last edited by Enscheff; 12-16-2013 at 11:29 AM.
About $1MM under what I predicted, although wasn't expecting the incentives to be quite so lucrative.
This isn't a poor signing by any stretch of the imagination, but I can't help but feel rather ill at ease about it.
Likely means that Wren will be waiting until the trade deadline to do anything larger, if then.
Solid move. Floyd was worth an average of 3.2 fWAR per season. and 3.3 rWAR.
Obviously with him out until July or so he won't touch that. If he winds up at a 1.7 WAR he'll be well worth it.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
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