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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    i know some special ed teachers who would argue everyone is autistic in someway

    but what are you aiming at cause it seems like pretty awful tone

    are you outraged over a cake like weso is or something?
    Not an awful tone and it's not meant to be as an insult. It just seems like you have difficulty understanding what people are saying/implying at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    well, we are 24 hours in to it and the steps they took don't look promising thus far
    What steps have they taken?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    There is a lawsuit against the state of Texas based on its Voter ID law. The federal district court found that the law was discriminatory in its intent and its effect. A conservative appeals court agreed that the law was discriminatory in its effect, but did not rule on intent. The case was bumped back down to the district court. It was due for a hearing next week. The Trump Justice Department filed for a delay in the hearing. Based on the public statements of the AG-designate, it's quite likely that the Justice Department will not pursue the case. If they do not . . . that's a real impact to civil rights that's happened within hours of DJT's assumption of office.
    Since I think that presenting some form of governemnt issued ID to be completely justified when voting for a federal or state election I still do not see how this impacts civil rights. EVERYONE can get a government issued ID.
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    You know what would help poor black people to vote? Stop raiding and pillaging their communities. The war on drugs disenfranchises tens of millions of people but we care more about the handful of black people who apparently live their lives withere no ID or drivers license. Good luck getting a job without id.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garmel View Post
    you have difficulty understanding what people are saying/implying at times.
    oh irony
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    So how much violence is occurring right now among what appears to be hundreds of thousands of people demonstrating nationwide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    You know what would help poor black people to vote? Stop raiding and pillaging their communities. The war on drugs disenfranchises tens of millions of people but we care more about the handful of black people who apparently live their lives withere no ID or drivers license. Good luck getting a job without id.
    Out of curiosity how far are you willing to go to end the war on drugs? Are we talking about more than marijuana? Are you talking about users and sellers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    oh irony
    Sorry if I hit a nerve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    So how much violence is occurring right now among what appears to be hundreds of thousands of people demonstrating nationwide?
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    I never once said that everyone on the left are violent. But, I can't see how anyone can deny that the majority of political violent protest originates from the left and gets especially violent when suppressing more conservative values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    So how much violence is occurring right now among what appears to be hundreds of thousands of people demonstrating nationwide?
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    None that I've heard of... although haven't been paying much attention. Glad to see it. It's a nice change from threatening to burn businesses to the ground because they don't support gay marriage

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Since I think that presenting some form of governemnt issued ID to be completely justified when voting for a federal or state election I still do not see how this impacts civil rights. EVERYONE can get a government issued ID.
    Er, (Republican-appointed, it must be noted) federal judges have struck down voter id laws in NC and Wisconsin, ruling that they were expressly intended to be discriminatory. That's an unequivocal statement that civil rights have been violated. So, the fact that thethe doesn't see how it impacts civil rights is kinda irrelevant, isn't it? You asked for an example and I gave you one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garmel View Post
    Sorry if I hit a nerve.
    what are you talking about now?

    are you the under the belief that you struck a nerve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Er, (Republican-appointed, it must be noted) federal judges have struck down voter id laws in NC and Wisconsin, ruling that they were expressly intended to be discriminatory. That's an unequivocal statement that civil rights have been violated. So, the fact that thethe doesn't see how it impacts civil rights is kinda irrelevant, isn't it? You asked for an example and I gave you one.
    Who appointed these judges? What is their history?

    These are all opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Who appointed these judges? What is their history?

    These are all opinions.
    That's just, like, your opinion, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    That's just, like, your opinion, man.
    Its not an interpretation (opinion) of these judges as well or are you assuming that every federal judge in the country would feel the same way this court did?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Its not an interpretation (opinion) of these judges as well or are you assuming that every federal judge in the country would feel the same way this court did?
    Do yourself a favor and read the 4th circuit opinion of the NC case. Really.

    Look, you asked for a negative impact on civil rights, I gave you one, and you apparently decided that it didn't count because you don't agree with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Do yourself a favor and read the 4th circuit opinion of the NC case. Really.

    Look, you asked for a negative impact on civil rights, I gave you one, and you apparently decided that it didn't count because you don't agree with it.
    I'm trying to have a philosophical discussion here. What is a civil right? Who determines what a civil right is? Can their be disagreement on what civil rights are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Heh. Intellectually honest.

    Again, I'm not eager to enter the conversation on your terms. While I don't agree with the strategy of, for example, protesting with the intent of shutting out free expression as happened at UC Davis this week, I do not characterize that protest as violent . . . nor did the authorities. So while I'm not prepared to agree with your characterizations of leftist "violence," I will stipulate that people broadly identified with the left are more likely to engage in direct-action mass protests that result in disorderly conduct and property damage.

    Over to you. Edify me.
    I wouldn't characterize human walls as necessarily violent either but certainly it is a form of free speech suppression which I assume you are not fond of. And I think you'd probably admit that occurs more against right leaning speakers as well. Imo, there are several reasons for this discrepency.

    1) There are more young people who identify as left leaning and young people are more likely to do dumb violent or fascist acts.

    2) Leftists tend to be driven more by emotion when compared to those who lean right.

    3) A push by democrat politicians and media to unfairly and maliciously portray people on the right as racist, bigoted and homophobic thus giving a rationalization for young emotional people to commit acts of violence and fascism.

    I think as long as people on the left continue to push my third point the escalated violence and fascism from the left will continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I'm trying to have a philosophical discussion here. What is a civil right? Who determines what a civil right is? Can their be disagreement on what civil rights are?
    No, you're moving the goalposts. Those court cases have unequivocally ruled that civil rights are being violated and your response is "what is a civil right"?

    You're welcome to your opinion. I'm telling you that the opinions I've referenced have the force of law behind them, so you can't easily wave them away so easily.

    So, if the courts rule that equal protection under the law is violated by laws drafted with the intent of suppressing the franchise among certain groups, you would disagree that peoples' civil rights are being violated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by weso1 View Post

    2) Leftists tend to be driven more by emotion when compared to those who lean right.
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