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    I think what’s missing from public view is direct evidence of quid pro quo. That could be because it doesn’t exist, or could be because it was effectively obscured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    I think what’s missing from public view is direct evidence of quid pro quo. That could be because it doesn’t exist, or could be because it was effectively obscured.
    As I indicated, Trump might have had principled policy reasons for his views on Russia/Ukraine/sanctions. He might not have been literally "selling" a change in policy. But I think he was well aware that the Russians were dangling various benefits to encourage him along that path and to support him. Given what the Russians were doing was illegal (not to mention highly objectionable from a national security perspective), we need to use all legal (and political) means at our disposal to prevent future political candidates from thinking that it is ok for them to receive benefits (whether in the form of a cut in a lucrative financial transaction or through efforts to affect the campaign) from foreigners as long as the policy changes helping those foreigners have a principled basis.

    We also need to send that message to foreign actors as well. This is about more than just Russia. It is also about Israel, Saudi Arabia, the UAE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    One more question to add: why would he violate his cooperation agreement with Mueller by lying about his interactions with Kilimnik.
    I'll offer a theory. Manafartov is playing for a pardon. And for him to reveal the entire truth about his interactions with Kilimnik would damage his chances for a pardon.
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    Prosecutors said for the first time that they have evidence of Roger Stone communicating with WikiLeaks, according to a new court filing from special counsel prosecutors.

    During its investigation of the Russian hack of the Democrats, "the government obtained and executed dozens of search warrants on various accounts used to facilitate the transfer of stolen documents for release, as well as to discuss the timing and promotion of their release," the prosecutors wrote Friday to a federal judge.

    "Several of those search warrants were executed on accounts that contained Stone's communications with Guccifer 2.0 and with Organization 1," which is WikiLeaks.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/15/polit...aks/index.html
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    I am amazed to learn that Stone lied about this.

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    Why do they lie ?

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    It’s going to be hilarious when this thing turns out to be exactly what it looked like at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    It’s going to be hilarious when this thing turns out to be exactly what it looked like at the time.
    sometimes when a crime is brazenly committed in broad daylight people have trouble believing their eyes ...he publicly asked the Russians to keep hacking and they took him literally
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Prosecutors said for the first time that they have evidence of Roger Stone communicating with WikiLeaks, according to a new court filing from special counsel prosecutors.

    During its investigation of the Russian hack of the Democrats, "the government obtained and executed dozens of search warrants on various accounts used to facilitate the transfer of stolen documents for release, as well as to discuss the timing and promotion of their release," the prosecutors wrote Friday to a federal judge.

    "Several of those search warrants were executed on accounts that contained Stone's communications with Guccifer 2.0 and with Organization 1," which is WikiLeaks.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/15/polit...aks/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Individual-1 View Post
    National Emergency or Nothing Burger?

    Sounds like a fun new game we should play in this forum.
    nothing burger...has nothing to do with campaign proper
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    So collusiom happened but stone needed to reach out to wikileaks to find out about material?

    Yes, exactly what you guys said this whole time.

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    We knew about Stone sending Julian Assange DMs in 2016.

    Nothing burger deluxe.

    But ... but ... collusion/conspiracy/collaboration/calamity/corruption and a laundry list of unrelated and inconsequential fringe grifters/theives/crooks/liars/idiots.

    Rise repeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    We knew about Stone sending Julian Assange DMs in 2016.

    Nothing burger deluxe.

    But ... but ... collusion/conspiracy/collaboration/calamity/corruption and a laundry list of unrelated and inconsequential fringe grifters/theives/crooks/liars/idiots.

    Rise repeat.
    The representment of information that is passed as new finding has been a common theme around these parts.

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    today's filings reference "several" accounts containing Stone's communications, a likely indication the information goes beyond what has already been revealed
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    today's filings references "several" accounts containing Stone's communications, a likely indication the information goes beyond what has already been revealed
    The known communications already make it clear that collusion didnt exist prior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The representment of information that is passed as new finding has been a common theme around these parts.
    So is rote obtuseness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The representment of information that is passed as new finding has been a common theme around these parts.
    Some need to be reminded ad nauseam that these people really are crooks and liars. The President is a felon.
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    How amazing would this be if it was yet another instance of fake news perpetrated by the dnc media apparatus?

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