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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    So let's say you have an excellent defender who saves 20 runs and a excellent hitter that creates 60 runs. What is his WAR and how much of it is offense/defense comparatively?
    That player is Willie Mays in his prime. That's when you get those 10+ WAR seasons. But in those seasons about 1/4 of his value is defense and 2/4's is offense. The other 1/4 comes from just being an everyday player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Kindly point out a few that are available then. Should be easy, right?
    Oh hey look - end of spring training and teams are looking to trade extra outfielders. From Rosenthal...

    Sources: #Cubs’ Matt Szczur among trade candidates #Braves considering for extra OFer. Szczur out of options; Cubs expected to keep him.
    Obviously nothing is imminent and Rosenthal himself said Cubs want to hold onto him, but this is the exact type of player I expect the Braves to sniff around on as teams try to trim their rosters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Oh hey look - end of spring training and teams are looking to trade extra outfielders. From Rosenthal...



    Obviously nothing is imminent and Rosenthal himself said Cubs want to hold onto him, but this is the exact type of player I expect the Braves to sniff around on as teams try to trim their rosters.
    Cubs have no need for him and need to trade him. He would be a waste on the 25 man roster imo. what Rosey was saying was that they would keep him over just waiving him. Basically telling any teams interested that they better come with a real offer.. Really a win/win for both clubs and I would not be surprised if it gets done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Cubs have no need for him and need to trade him. He would be a waste on the 25 man roster imo. what Rosey was saying was that they would keep him over just waiving him. Basically telling any teams interested that they better come with a real offer.. Really a win/win for both clubs and I would not be surprised if it gets done.
    Hopefully we're not willing to give up anything of substance for a fourth OF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    Hopefully we're not willing to give up anything of substance for a fourth OF.
    Matt Szczur is more like a 5th outfielder as MLBTR notes and he's not good defensively. So not an ideal back-up on defense but he could be a slight upgrade from Boni on offense for the bench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Oh hey look - end of spring training and teams are looking to trade extra outfielders. From Rosenthal...



    Obviously nothing is imminent and Rosenthal himself said Cubs want to hold onto him, but this is the exact type of player I expect the Braves to sniff around on as teams try to trim their rosters.
    Again, I was hoping for a competent 4th OFer. Szczur, or any other guy that can't make a 25 man roster, doesn't qualify.

    Are you capable of understanding a nuanced point? I could be added to the 25 man roster as the 4th OFer, but that's not what I meant when I claimed the Braves need to address the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Again, I was hoping for a competent 4th OFer. Szczur, or any other guy that can't make a 25 man roster, doesn't qualify.

    Are you capable of understanding a nuanced point? I could be added to the 25 man roster as the 4th OFer, but that's not what I meant when I claimed the Braves need to address the situation.
    Sure I understand your point. We hashed out that argument last week. Let sleeping dogs lie, I say.

    In terms of Szczur, or players of his ilk, I like the idea of sniffing around players that won't cost real trade assets and/or are inexpensive and/or on the right side of 30. Is Szczur that player? Maybe, depends if you think he's the same 1-2 WAR player he was last year. I would prefer him over Angel Pagan.
    Last edited by chop2chip; 03-21-2017 at 06:07 PM.

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    If the White Sox cut out of options Rymer Liriano I'd grab him to be a back-up OF. He is only hitting .205 with a .705 OPS and too many K's in spring but he is also coming off missing a lot of time due to injury. Bottom line is that I still like his potential, his minor league track record prior to the injury was solid: http://www.baseball-reference.com/re...d=lirian001rym. I could see him cutting down the K's and taking off at some point. So I'd stash him on the bench as a back-up OF, he is a RHH too, then if he breaks out you have a long-term starting OF and possibly an Acuna-Inciarte-Liriano trio in 2019.

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    It would make more sense if that last hitter was a lefty. We currently have Jace from the left side and presumably Bonifacio from the right (he is a switch hitter but hits much better righty). You want more left handed hitting options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    It would make more sense if that last hitter was a lefty. We currently have Jace from the left side and presumably Bonifacio from the right (he is a switch hitter but hits much better righty). You want more left handed hitting options.
    I think the idea is you grab a RH outfielder who can occasionally spell Ender/Markakis against a tough lefty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Again, I was hoping for a competent 4th OFer. Szczur, or any other guy that can't make a 25 man roster, doesn't qualify.

    Are you capable of understanding a nuanced point? I could be added to the 25 man roster as the 4th OFer, but that's not what I meant when I claimed the Braves need to address the situation.
    That's a really good 25-man roster that Szczur wouldn't make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    I think the idea is you grab a RH outfielder who can occasionally spell Ender/Markakis against a tough lefty.
    In which case, we shouldn't carry Bonifacio and carry a lefty hitter in his place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    That's a really good 25-man roster that Szczur wouldn't make.
    Right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    In which case, we shouldn't carry Bonifacio and carry a lefty hitter in his place.
    Are the Dodgers going to hang onto Franklin Gutierrez? He's falling off quite quickly, but he's cheap and can play the corner OF spots. Not an ideal fit, but would be a decent RHH off the bench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    That player is Willie Mays in his prime.
    aka poor man's Ronald Acuna

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    Matt Szczur is more like a 5th outfielder as MLBTR notes and he's not good defensively. So not an ideal back-up on defense but he could be a slight upgrade from Boni on offense for the bench.
    .731 career OPS vs LHers is all that is really relevant. Considering Markakis posted a .613 mark vs LHer last year, and Inciarte has a career .641 against them, Szczur would be an offensive upgrade over them against 1-2 LHers per week. While he isn't a "good" defender, he is leaps and bounds better than Kemp, and would be worth putting in as a late game defensive upgrade.

    I was hoping for a better 4th OFer (more like a 3rd OFer miscast as a bench player by the Braves due to them incorrectly identifying Kemp and Markakis as everyday players), but grabbing a 25 year old guy that can handle CF and hit a little vs LHers wouldn't be the worst scenario if they get him for a reasonable price.

    Staying with the current OF bench options is unacceptable given how poor Kemp and Markakis are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    If the White Sox cut out of options Rymer Liriano I'd grab him to be a back-up OF. He is only hitting .205 with a .705 OPS and too many K's in spring but he is also coming off missing a lot of time due to injury. Bottom line is that I still like his potential, his minor league track record prior to the injury was solid: http://www.baseball-reference.com/re...d=lirian001rym. I could see him cutting down the K's and taking off at some point. So I'd stash him on the bench as a back-up OF, he is a RHH too, then if he breaks out you have a long-term starting OF and possibly an Acuna-Inciarte-Liriano trio in 2019.
    I'd say pick him up on his name alone.

    As for Szczur, he's 25th guy for the Cubs because of the versatility they have on their bench. He's better than Schwarber in LF and he is a RHH off the bench and can play RF if Heyward slides over the CF or is taken out as part of a double-switch. I don't know if that profile fits with the Braves, but as you say, he's better defensively than Kemp and he would give us a RHH guy with some power on the bench. Only thing Bonifacio brings to the table is the ability to play six positions on the field.
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