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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    That heywood clip was classic with the graphics. Now that the flubbies are getting clobbered. Heywood is not relevant.
    It's because Heyward is not in the lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    What am I not seeing because I don't want to?
    I didn't say it wasn't a good offensive season.
    I also never brought up the .800 OPS threshold - cyyoung31 did, and said "but the fact is he would've OPS'd north of .800 3 of his first 4 years." I pointed out that that is not a fact, which is absolutely 100% objectively true. that fact upset him mightily, and then he (and now you) both created scenarios and sliced numbers up how you wanted in order to show .800 was a guarantee! you started at a point you wanted to reach, and went backwards justifying it.

    you then said..
    "Heyward started out slow in 2013 and even after his appendectomy it took him awhile to get going again. From June 1st until he got hit in the face he hit 297/373/498 -871. 201 ISO which is about what you would expect from him before the injury.."
    Why would I expect that from him before the injury when he had never done it before over a full season?
    You're absolutely right that people see what they want to see.
    I referring to the .200 ISO which is something you would expect

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Cat and thewupk, I’m bowing out of this argument. I really don’t care either way... I’ve just been passing the time this week. You two are probably right. Have a great weekend
    I know I am right. Heyward as a hitter has not been the same since 2014. You can say it has been the league suddenly figuring him out after 4 years in the league or a significant injury totally messing up his hitting style. Believe what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    His slugging was higher in ‘15. His wRC+ was higher in ‘15. He was collecting fWAR at a much higher rate in ‘15. ‘15 was his career high in fWAR. He was a better player in ‘15. If it was so obvious Joey was a shadow of his former greatness, then why was he a highly coveted FA?
    Raw slugging is directly impacted by batting average. Heyward had a high (for him at this point) BABIP of 329 that year and it inflated his batting average and slugging accordingly. Heyward's ISO (which is what most people refer to as power) of 146 in 2015 was 5th best of his year. His 4 best ISO seasons were all pre injury. But I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    I know I am right. Heyward as a hitter has not been the same since 2014. You can say it has been the league suddenly figuring him out after 4 years in the league or a significant injury totally messing up his hitting style. Believe what you want.
    If only the cubs had as great of a baseball mind as you, they could’ve saved that awful contract on an overrated player
    Swanson sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    If only the cubs had as great of a baseball mind as you, they could’ve saved that awful contract on an overrated player
    I am stating this after the fact of course. At the time many had hoped that his 140 ISO was a sign of his power starting to come back and that he could be the hitter he was pre injury. Obviously that was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    I am stating this after the fact of course. At the time many had hoped that his 140 ISO was a sign of his power starting to come back and that he could be the hitter he was pre injury. Obviously that was wrong.
    I’m playing, dude. I just like getting a rise out of you jhey lovers. I loved jhey when he was here and lost all attachment when he left... like all ex-braves.
    Swanson sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Bye cubs hahahahajahAha
    Oh Maddon's not out of it yet. I'm sure he's got 9 runs up his sleeve over these last two sets of ABs.

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    I see tons of Dodger fans at Wrigley. I'm sure no one will point that out though.

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    I don't think Joe Maddon will be lonely tonight. It sounds like the TBS play-by-play guy wants to spoon with him.

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    Dodgers in 6 over Yankees
    Swanson sucks

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    The cubs are being touched inappropriately
    Swanson sucks

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    Maybe Maddon should have had Wade Davis start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Bye cubs hahahahajahAha
    Not sure of the Cubs hate here.

    While I'm a former Chicagoan, I was a Southsider, and never adopted the Cubs as any sort of team. Still, as a Braves fan, and a fan of good taste, I'd much rather see the Cubs in the Series over the Dodgers (or winning the Series over the Yankees, for that matter).

    Still holding my flame for the Astros, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Not sure of the Cubs hate here.

    While I'm a former Chicagoan, I was a Southsider, and never adopted the Cubs as any sort of team. Still, as a Braves fan, and a fan of good taste, I'd much rather see the Cubs in the Series over the Dodgers (or winning the Series over the Yankees, for that matter).

    Still holding my flame for the Astros, though.
    I think its the typical recent winners hate that teams get.

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    Please LA - Beat the Yankees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Please LA - Beat the Yankees.
    Well that's one thing I can agree with you on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Please LA - Beat the Yankees.
    Please Houston. Beat the Stankees
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Not sure of the Cubs hate here.

    While I'm a former Chicagoan, I was a Southsider, and never adopted the Cubs as any sort of team. Still, as a Braves fan, and a fan of good taste, I'd much rather see the Cubs in the Series over the Dodgers (or winning the Series over the Yankees, for that matter).

    Still holding my flame for the Astros, though.
    Just don’t like them and quite frankly, never have. I hated them when harry and Steve stone were calling games with sandberg, dunston, and grace... nothing’s changed
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Not sure of the Cubs hate here.

    While I'm a former Chicagoan, I was a Southsider, and never adopted the Cubs as any sort of team. Still, as a Braves fan, and a fan of good taste, I'd much rather see the Cubs in the Series over the Dodgers (or winning the Series over the Yankees, for that matter).

    Still holding my flame for the Astros, though.
    Growing up in the era when I did, the Cubs were a pure laughingstock with some very good players (Ernie Banks, Ron Santo, Billy Williams, Ferguson Jenkins, etc.) who labored for some terrible teams. The problem was when WGN went national, they generated a set of no-nothing fandom (as one Southside cabbie once told a Minneapolis Tribune columnist "The Cubs' fans' favorite player is Harry Caray.) that cuddled up to the lovable losers. I'm sure the Braves generated a similar set of some fans' ire when TBS went national and Lord knows there's a ton of distaste for the Dallas Cowboys.

    So it's really not the Cubs' team and management for which I bear any measure of disdain (although I think Maddon is unbelievably overrated), it's their goofy fan base. I feel the same way about the Red Sox.

    Like you, I am all in on the Astros. And if it's Yanks/Dodgers, I could flip a coin. It's like going back to the 1970s. I just hope Tommy LaSorda doesn't show up. All this said, I'd go Ddogers in that match-up.

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