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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    I'm genuinely unsure of the point of the tariff then. It seems like it will either be entirely ineffective or they're expecting a solar power explosion and are trying to get out ahead of it, which seems like it could hurt job production.
    Agreed. After a reread, I suspect that Reuters may have confused some abbreviations. Reporting on this topic seems squirelly so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Obviously these parents don't understand they will be able to pay for a better funeral for their kids cause this economy is like amazing now

    They just aren't seeing the big picture
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    You guys do realize that the tariff is on imported solar panels, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    I'm genuinely unsure of the point of the tariff then. It seems like it will either be entirely ineffective or they're expecting a solar power explosion and are trying to get out ahead of it, which seems like it could hurt job production.
    I think the confusion stems from this article's emphasis on Tesla and solar cells. It's the 30% on fully assembled solar panels that is going to have immediate impact (which was, best I know, conceived to protect a couple of struggling manufacturers from being pushed under by cheaper imports).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    You guys do realize that the tariff is on imported solar panels, right?
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    The solar and washer tariffs are dumb and anti capitalism.

    Glad to see our leftist friends support capitalism now

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    Price of freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    The solar and washer tariffs are dumb and anti capitalism.

    Glad to see our leftist friends support capitalism now
    I've actually never been a proponent of tariffs and restrictions on international trade. The regulations I support generally involve environmental and consumer protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Price of freedom.
    Was that a gun free zone?

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    Trump’s Solar Tariffs Are Clouding the Industry’s Future

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/u...imes&smtyp=cur
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    Trump’s Solar Tariffs Are Clouding the Industry’s Future

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/u...imes&smtyp=cur
    Do you support capitalism on this front?

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    I don't know that I'm well-versed enough to really get my head around it, but at first blush I'd say that sacrificing broader adoption of sustainable energy for debatable benefits to the domestic industry is a bad deal. The industry lobby contends that this will hurt the industry at large, nominally in defense of a couple of struggling manufacturers. And that it will surely be nixed by WTO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Was that a gun free zone?
    Not sure how that's relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    I don't know that I'm well-versed enough to really get my head around it, but at first blush I'd say that sacrificing broader adoption of sustainable energy for debatable benefits to the domestic industry is a bad deal. The industry lobby contends that this will hurt the industry at large, nominally in defense of a couple of struggling manufacturers. And that it will surely be nixed by WTO.
    Yeah but Trump did it so it's the end of America.

    Keep up with the hysteria please

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Yeah but Trump did it so it's the end of America.

    Keep up with the hysteria please
    So my admittedly underinformed opinion on a policy decision on which you and I broadly agree is hysteria.

    Hyperbole rules.

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    America is literally at the inception stage of solar tech. China is at the large-scale, mass production stage. Their product is extremely affordable, decently reliable, and has the potential to suffocate the US domestic market.

    Solar-panel installer is expected to be the fastest growing occupation in the United States over the next 10 years.

    Would be nice if those panels were American made.

    If a (truly paltry) 30% tariff is imposed on imported (Chinese) panels for a few years to advantage struggling manufacturers stateside and correct a glaring market imbalance then that's an objective that should be incredibly easy to support. It's a tact that the Europeans have taken too -- but *gasp* because it feels so good.

    The more appropriate aspect of all of this bitch about here is why the solar hasn't received the kind of government love here that it has, for decades, in China.

    China. ****ing China, people.

    Something something Solyndra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    So my admittedly underinformed opinion on a policy decision on which you and I broadly agree is hysteria.

    Hyperbole rules.
    I was telling to you keep up with the hysteria.

    Not accusing you of being hysterical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    America is literally at the inception stage of solar tech. China is at the large-scale, mass production stage. Their product is extremely affordable, decently reliable, and has the potential to suffocate the US domestic market.

    Solar-panel installer is expected to be the fastest growing occupation in the United States over the next 10 years.

    Would be nice if those panels were American made.

    If a (truly paltry) 30% tariff is imposed on imported (Chinese) panels for a few years to advantage struggling manufacturers stateside and correct a glaring market imbalance then that's an objective that should be incredibly easy to support. It's a tact that the Europeans have taken too -- but *gasp* because it feels so good.

    The more appropriate aspect of all of this bitch about here is why the solar hasn't received the kind of government love here that it has, for decades, in China.

    China. ****ing China, people.

    Something something Solyndra.
    I've been bitching about that since forever, and on these forums specifically since 2004.

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    My grandfather installed a solar array on his home in the 80s. When he passed away a few years ago we had to get taken down because he was the only one who knew how to operate it and the company that sold it shuttered its solar division before I was born.

    That's sad.

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