2018 Offseason And Targets

[BeanieAntics]

HOLY ****

Passan- Matt Kemp, Yasiel Puig and Alex Wood have been traded to the Cincinnati Reds, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. Homer Bailey is one of the players going back to the Los Angeles Dodgers. The return for the Dodgers clearly will be more.

I'm not sure what to think about the Reds anymore, but I think this basically takes out the Dodgers as a potential trading partner for us. Yet another avenue for us to explore being shut down. Come on AA, I understand patience, but you gotta get something done soon.

[Heyward]

If thats the deal, then LA is making a run at Harper. Kemp, Wood, and Puig is about 42 mil in payroll, Bailey is about 17, so they cleared 25 million. Somethings fishy.

[TheBravos]

I agree, but he seems like the perfect target for the Yankees. It’s nothing but a guess on my part, and no specific scenario is all that likely to happen.

I don’t want them to acquire Gray, and I’m not a huge fan of getting Frazier. I just think that Gray is likely and once they start talking about Gray it will be logical to expand the deal to Frazier.

Wouldn’t Gohora have a ton more surplus value than Gray?? I feel like Gray will make pretty much what he’s worth (unless he has a pretty good uptick). I would do Allard and that’s probably an overpay (even though he throws 90 lol). I’m don’t think Gray has anymore chance of making a difference for us than Julio would of having a bounce back year.

I’m with you...I am not big on either Gray or Frazier.

Stroman is that guy I feel AA would target.

[TheRunningAgent]

Harper has to be announced to the Dodgers soon, right? That’s better than the Phillies getting him. I hope the Yankees or White Sox sign Machado. AA will need to move soon on an outfielder.

[Heyward]

I'm not sure what to think about the Reds anymore, but I think this basically takes out the Dodgers as a potential trading partner for us. Yet another avenue for us to explore being shut down. Come on AA, I understand patience, but you gotta get something done soon.

I think it's a clear money saving move for LA. Right now they only have CT3, Joc, and Verdugo in the outfield.

[UNCBlue012]

I think Harper to Dodgers and Machado to Yankees.

[TheBravos]

I think Harper to Dodgers and Machado to Yankees.

Would appear to be the case.

[Freshmaker]

I think Harper to Dodgers and Machado to Yankees.

yep this

[Heyward]

I guess this also takes LA out of the Realmuto sweepstakes now. Outfield depth taken a hit. But one assumes they get Harper now.

[Heyward]

I think Harper to Dodgers and Machado to Yankees.

As long as the Yankees offer him a respectable contract, that would appear to be likely.

[Carp]

Play the surplus value games all you like - those numbers have a way of being wrong as often as they're right. .

Yeah this is false. Vast majority of trades fall within a very close range to their estimated surplus value.

[BeanieAntics]

If the Reds were squarely in a contention window, I'd like this move for them but it feels like its a little too early. However, they clearly got pretty good value in this deal.

I like the Dodger's side too. You shed a good bit of money in the deal, open up a space for Harper, and get two high upside minor league pieces with Downs and Gray. Probably a good deal for both sides, but it seems really odd for the Reds because I still think they are a good ways out from contention.

[Freshmaker]

[Freshmaker]

If the Reds were squarely in a contention window, I'd like this move for them but it feels like its a little too early. However, they clearly got pretty good value in this deal.

I like the Dodger's side too. You shed a good bit of money in the deal, open up a space for Harper, and get two high upside minor league pieces with Downs and Gray. Probably a good deal for both sides, but it seems really odd for the Reds because I still think they are a good ways out from contention.

Yeah I mean they gotta be what, 3rd or 4th best team in the division still right?

[Freshmaker]

[nsacpi]

Well there goes one of our potential OF targets

not necessarily

still could make a deal with the Dodgers for one of Verdugo, Pederson, Taylor or Hernandez

still could make a deal with the Reds for Winker, Puig or Kemp

[nsacpi]

Not sure this is the correct take. They made the Kemp trade last year to get under the luxury tax threshold for 2018 and presumably plan to go beyond it if they sign Harper.

[nsacpi]

To the extent this is an indication the Dodgers are closer to signing Harper it increases our chances to make a trade with them for an outfielder.

[TheBravos]

So:

1. Kemp might hit 30 HR’s in the Cincy before he fizzles our mid June.

2. We were probably never a strong partner with the Dodgers because they wanted to attach Kemp with Puig and Wood.

[Carp]

Pretty clear the Dodgers are all in on Harper. Which is good